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Woman Arrested For Warning Of Speed Trap With Makeshift Sign

  • SC200SC said...

    Back in my day the CHP used to ticket other officers rather consistently, (and I am speaking of beyond the jerks who used to drive to Vegas at 90). They prudently backed off as time went on.

    In Arizona (where I wrapped up my 22 year career), the DPS (same as CHP) were still writing tickets to officers and Deputies beyond necessary.

    There was a Detective in my Department who got nailed twice (in 1 week) in a downhill speed trap on the Beeline Hwy by a DPS Officer who hid behind a giant mesquite bush.

    That Sunday I was driving down the Beeline and noticed the mesquite bush was gone. When I got back to town I mentioned this to the Detective. He grinned and quipped, "Every man should own a chainsaw".

    coffee

    The CHP will ticket anybody and anything. Which or course made for wonderful relations with them. One guy on our department got mad and ticketed a CHP cruiser going to the jail house gas pump....lol

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SPEED!!!!

    Two that was in a different state and a different jurisdiction. The same rules do not apply. (Texas is the 5th Circuit, Florida I believe the 11th.) And she wasn't making an effort to deter speeders (that is bullshit) she was trying to frustrate the police in the performance of their lawful duty! Good lord the way you guys whine You would think a speeding ticket is the equivalent of baby raping!

    Its one of those moments when I remember the old statement, I heard repeatedly by inmates when somebody was caught doing something they weren't suppose to do.

    Basically it was..."You shouldn't have been doing it. You got nothing Coming!"

    She's got nothing coming!

    OK, lemme get this straight.

    It is now against the law to attempt to prevent others from breaking the law?

    What law is being broken by trying to 'frustrate the police' in the performance of their lawful duty?

    Why didn't the prick cop charge her for breaking this alleged legitimate law that frustrated them from performing the duties of their job, if such a law actually exists?

    Seems to me the only thing that could charge her with had to be a bogus charge that came down to a 'he said, she said' scenario in which the cops are given the benefit of the doubt in the courts.

    Unfortunately, incidents like these erode the public trust in law enforcement and cause most people to mistrust the cops...with good reason.

    This post was edited by brdcstr1 on 7/3/2012 at 1:07 AM

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    The CHP will ticket anybody and anything. Which or course made for wonderful relations with them. One guy on our department got mad and ticketed a CHP cruiser going to the jail house gas pump....lol

    talking about abusing the laws. Nice, very nice to know..the kind of things you guys are doing to each other with the laws on your side. Integrity much?

    TMA

  • TMA said...

    talking about abusing the laws. Nice, very nice to know..the kind of things you guys are doing to each other with the laws on your side. Integrity much?

    Good point. he laughs off a vindictive act by one of his own, but supports another vindictive act by one of his own against a private citizen.

    Looks to me like he supports the notion that cops can do whatever they please.

    brdcstr1

  • brdcstr1 said...

    Good point. he laughs off a vindictive act by one of his own, but supports another vindictive act by one of his own against a private citizen.

    Looks to me like he supports the notion that cops can do whatever they please.

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    A-It doesn't matter if you are speeding intentionally or not. Traffic Laws are Malum Prohibitum. Not Malum In Se. It doesn't matter why you are speeding the law says YOU CAN'T SPEED. ("wrong [as or because] prohibited")

    The woman wasn't of course speeding..she aiding those that do.

    I guess its just o.k. to stand there in another example and say don't steal this now. The cops are around. Secondly you do not know why the police officer was on the phone. It may well have been related to his position particularly if that was a departmentally issued phone.

    The same with Rolling stops, if I was stopping and I get a call or saw a potential problem then yes I would do a rolling stop. But that was the in the nature of work.

    I haven't had a Ticket since 1976.

    It really isn't that hard.

    Wait a minute. What's the difference between what this lady did and what the sheriff does when the department announces the location and time of a DUI check point?

    Hasn't the Supreme Court stated that for a check point to be legal, the police/sheriff must give advance notice?

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  • tommytrojan1122 said...

    Wait a minute. What's the difference between what this lady did and what the sheriff does when the department announces the location and time of a DUI check point?

    Hasn't the Supreme Court stated that for a check point to be legal, the police/sheriff must give advance notice?

    GREAT point...and without stealing your thunder this was something that occurred to me as well. Would it then be illegal to stand 4 blocks before the checkpoint and warn people?

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  • Mickey Av said...

    GREAT point...and without stealing your thunder this was something that occurred to me as well. Would it then be illegal to stand 4 blocks before the checkpoint and warn people?

    Most the bars in my neighborhood post/announce the locations of the checkpoints

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    A-It doesn't matter if you are speeding intentionally or not. Traffic Laws are Malum Prohibitum. Not Malum In Se. It doesn't matter why you are speeding the law says YOU CAN'T SPEED. ("wrong [as or because] prohibited")

    The woman wasn't of course speeding..she aiding those that do.

    I guess its just o.k. to stand there in another example and say don't steal this now. The cops are around. Secondly you do not know why the police officer was on the phone. It may well have been related to his position particularly if that was a departmentally issued phone.

    The same with Rolling stops, if I was stopping and I get a call or saw a potential problem then yes I would do a rolling stop. But that was the in the nature of work.

    I haven't had a Ticket since 1976.

    It really isn't that hard.

    If it is a department issued phone, they would also be issued a headset...since it is THE LAW that one cannot drive while holding the handset to one's ear, due to the safety hazards it poses to the public. I am sure the police would not violate the law, or put the public in danger with their department issued phones. I will paraphrase you...YOU CAN'T DRIVE WHILE TALKING INTO YOUR HANDSET.

    Nice try, though.

    PS -- I have plenty of friends that are officers and detectives, and they have confirmed that both the LAPD and Pasadena police departments issue bluetooth headsets with their phones...Batter up!

    This post was edited by deetj13 on 7/3/2012 at 11:52 AM

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  • and he lied about having his lights / sirens on while driving 70mph through a neighborhood for a car theft.

    City to pay LAPD crash victim's family $6.6 million - Los Angeles Times

    The Los Angeles City Council agreed Friday to pay $6.6 million to the family of a woman killed by a speeding police car, the largest amount the city has ever paid to resolve a police traffic

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    1) Secondly you do not know why the police officer was on the phone. It may well have been related to his position particularly if that was a departmentally issued phone.

    2 The same with Rolling stops, if I was stopping and I get a call or saw a potential problem then yes I would do a rolling stop. But that was the in the nature of work.

    I haven't had a Ticket since 1976.

    It really isn't that hard.

    1) deet nailed it. This particular cop was on a handheld device. I'll share a bit of the specifics. He was in the driveway of a gas station/minimart/restaurant, idling for a minute while talking on the phone before turning right to head south towards Malibu.

    I had been driving north on Malibu Canyon Road, looking to turn left into the gas station where he was idling in the driveway. Because of the oncoming traffic heading south, I had to wait about a minute to make my left turn. All that time, he was on the phone until he turned right and drove south while STILL talking on his phone.

    Granted, I don't know why he was on the phone, but I know there was no sense of urgency, nor was he using a Bluetooth when he entered the roadway while still talking on his phone.

    Why is it so difficult for you to admit that some cops break the same laws with impunity that they enforce upon us?

    2 Stop. Just stop. My gym is about 100 yards from the lost Hills Sheriff station. I live about 1-2 miles from the station, and regularly see them come and go. I can't even begin to count how many times I have been driving behind a Sheriff car on Lost Hills Road over the years and watched them come to a quasi-rolling stop... at the exact same stop sign where they set up their rolling stop trap on others.

    I used to never have a problem with it because it's such a sparsely traveled road. That stopped when they cited my daughter for coming to a rolling stop. She told the cop that she came to a complete stop, and the greatest response he could give her was "Yeah, but you didn't come to a stop in which you could count to 3-Mississippi".

    I know that to be true because she immediately came in the house inquiring about the law she was unaware of that you had to come to a stop for a 3 second count before proceeding.

    "I haven't had a Ticket since 1976."

    I've had two tickets since 1980... But I'm not foolish enough to believe that I've only broken the driving laws two times in over 30 years. Better to leave it that you haven't gotten caught for any driving violations since 1976.

    brdcstr1

  • brdcstr1 said...

    .... "I haven't had a Ticket since 1976."

    I've had two tickets since 1980... But I'm not foolish enough to believe that I've only broken the driving laws two times in over 30 years. Better to leave it that you haven't gotten caught for any driving violations since 1976.

    Either that, or perhaps cops have let him go if he has a badge.

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  • 901Club said...

    Either that, or perhaps cops have let him go if he has a badge.

    or have a bumper sticker/decal...supporting local police.

    TMA

  • D A Stankovich said...

    I believe there is. LOOK HERE IS THE SIMPLE RULE. YOU CAN'T SPEED.

    If you do the crime. Do the time and quit fucking whining about how unfair it is you can't be allowed to break loose with the lead foot.

    Jeez...

    You have never gone over the speed limit in your life? You must be the only one in the US. Give me a break Stank. You know the point I am making. She should be able to have a sign up there warning others. Free speach....

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  • TMA said...

    talking about abusing the laws. Nice, very nice to know..the kind of things you guys are doing to each other with the laws on your side. Integrity much?

    He was speeding genius...Sheesh...

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  • brdcstr1 said...

    OK, lemme get this straight.

    It is now against the law to attempt to prevent others from breaking the law?

    What law is being broken by trying to 'frustrate the police' in the performance of their lawful duty?

    Why didn't the prick cop charge her for breaking this alleged legitimate law that frustrated them from performing the duties of their job, if such a law actually exists?

    Seems to me the only thing that could charge her with had to be a bogus charge that came down to a 'he said, she said' scenario in which the cops are given the benefit of the doubt in the courts.

    Unfortunately, incidents like these erode the public trust in law enforcement and cause most people to mistrust the cops...with good reason.

    She wasn't preventing somebody from breaking the law. Anymore than the guy in my example was. She was trying to prevent them from getting a ticket.

    Look if an argument is too silly to be believed, I wouldn't try to make it. I will bet the person in the other Circuit didn't try anything that lame.

    This post was edited by D A Stankovich on 7/3/2012 at 9:42 PM

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  • deetj13 said...

    If it is a department issued phone, they would also be issued a headset...since it is THE LAW that one cannot drive while holding the handset to one's ear, due to the safety hazards it poses to the public. I am sure the police would not violate the law, or put the public in danger with their department issued phones. I will paraphrase you...YOU CAN'T DRIVE WHILE TALKING INTO YOUR HANDSET.

    Nice try, though.

    PS -- I have plenty of friends that are officers and detectives, and they have confirmed that both the LAPD and Pasadena police departments issue bluetooth headsets with their phones...Batter up!

    Not necessarily. I haven't researched the vehicle code but just as a police car can speed and violate traffic laws that may not be true.

    Remember they also have a radio that they have to listen to.

    I find it strange that people complain about a Deputy writing a CHP Officer a ticket for speeding on the Grinder. One would usually suspect quite the opposite. Besides. Even if the act was vindictive its irrelevant. The question is....was the CHP Officer speeding. If so Vindictive or not there is a term for what the CHP Officer was doing. It was called Speeding and there is a term for what he is...its called guilty.

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  • Years ago my agency was not fairly compensating the Police Officers while at the same time were fairly compensating the Fire Fighters. The City Personnel Director had a personal problem with Police Officers.

    In response during a contract impasse, we began issuing warnings and putting DUIs into cabs rather than issue cites or make arrests.. Within a couple of weeks we received our much deserved raise in pay. Yes, it is about revenue as much as anything else.

    The woman was well within her rights as long as she stayed out of the road. If she did, then the officer is falsifying an arrest report and should get 30 bricks if it's his first offense. If it has happened before, he deserves permanent bricks.

    If the woman was in the roadway, then somebody needs to explain why she was physically arrested as opposed to a citation. She could have screwed up more than we know, but I smell something funny coming from the good guys' side in this case.

    As you know, I will defend righteous cops to the death. Immature, ego maniacs I will point out all day long because they cause heartache for the rest.

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  • SC200SC said...

    Years ago my agency was not fairly compensating the Police Officers while at the same time were fairly compensating the Fire Fighters. The City Personnel Director had a personal problem with Police Officers.

    In response during a contract impasse, we began issuing warnings and putting DUIs into cabs rather than issue cites or make arrests.. Within a couple of weeks we received our much deserved raise in pay. Yes, it is about revenue as much as anything else.

    The woman was well within her rights as long as she stayed out of the road. If she did, then the officer is falsifying an arrest report and should get 30 bricks if it's his first offense. If it has happened before, he deserves permanent bricks.

    If the woman was in the roadway, then somebody needs to explain why she was physically arrested as opposed to a citation. She could have screwed up more than we know, but I smell something funny coming from the good guys' side in this case.

    As you know, I will defend righteous cops to the death. Immature, ego maniacs I will point out all day long because they cause heartache for the rest.

    coffee

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  • deetj13 said...

    If it is a department issued phone, they would also be issued a headset...since it is THE LAW that one cannot drive while holding the handset to one's ear, due to the safety hazards it poses to the public. I am sure the police would not violate the law, or put the public in danger with their department issued phones. I will paraphrase you...YOU CAN'T DRIVE WHILE TALKING INTO YOUR HANDSET.

    Nice try, though.

    PS -- I have plenty of friends that are officers and detectives, and they have confirmed that both the LAPD and Pasadena police departments issue bluetooth headsets with their phones...Batter up!

    23123 CVC allows a handheld cell phone to be used to call a Law Enforcement agency or for other verifiable emergencies. Officers are exempt due to this law, as they are trying to outflank the police scanners.

    Ear phones are not routinely issued, particularly by agencies that issue earpieces for the officers' portable radios and they would conflict.

    To address the scanner issue and get officers off the phone, many agencies are turning to scramblers to defeat scanning. And of course officers are not supposed to be making routine calls while driving, but who is going to try to prove that one out?

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  • RB4E said...

    You sir just moved way ahead of Stanky on the good guys meter.

    Now if I can just get past Fritz Coleman. cool

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  • SC200SC said...

    23123 CVC allows a handheld cell phone to be used to call a Law Enforcement agency or for other verifiable emergencies. Officers are exempt due to this law, as they are trying to outflank the police scanners.

    Ear phones are not routinely issued, particularly by agencies that issue earpieces for the officers' portable radios and they would conflict.

    To address the scanner issue and get officers off the phone, many agencies are turning to scramblers to defeat scanning. And of course officers are not supposed to be making routine calls while driving, but who is going to try to prove that one out?

    It is like a game of tennis. coffee

    Yeah what he said.

    When I left law enforcement they did not have telephones and computers. We had to right tickets on rocks....

    Oh well.....I made that part about the rocks up. It was actually slatebiggrin

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    She wasn't preventing somebody from breaking the law. Anymore than the guy in my example was. She was trying to prevent them from getting a ticket.

    Look if an argument is too silly to be believed, I wouldn't try to make it. I will bet the person in the other Circuit didn't try anything that lame.

    Stank, I heard a legal analyst speaking about this issue on TV today. He claimed there was NO law broken by what this lady did, which is why they created the bogus charge.

    FWIW, they attempted to charge her with obstructing justice, but that effort fell flat on its face.

    Perhaps you can share with us what law she broke that the cops overlooked charging her with.

    brdcstr1