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SC200SC said...
Back in my day the CHP used to ticket other officers rather consistently, (and I am speaking of beyond the jerks who used to drive to Vegas at 90). They prudently backed off as time went on.
In Arizona (where I wrapped up my 22 year career), the DPS (same as CHP) were still writing tickets to officers and Deputies beyond necessary.
There was a Detective in my Department who got nailed twice (in 1 week) in a downhill speed trap on the Beeline Hwy by a DPS Officer who hid behind a giant mesquite bush.
That Sunday I was driving down the Beeline and noticed the mesquite bush was gone. When I got back to town I mentioned this to the Detective. He grinned and quipped, "Every man should own a chainsaw".
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D A Stankovich said...
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SPEED!!!!
Two that was in a different state and a different jurisdiction. The same rules do not apply. (Texas is the 5th Circuit, Florida I believe the 11th.) And she wasn't making an effort to deter speeders (that is bullshit) she was trying to frustrate the police in the performance of their lawful duty! Good lord the way you guys whine You would think a speeding ticket is the equivalent of baby raping!
Its one of those moments when I remember the old statement, I heard repeatedly by inmates when somebody was caught doing something they weren't suppose to do.
Basically it was..."You shouldn't have been doing it. You got nothing Coming!"
She's got nothing coming!
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Good point. he laughs off a vindictive act by one of his own, but supports another vindictive act by one of his own against a private citizen.
Looks to me like he supports the notion that cops can do whatever they please.
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D A Stankovich said...
A-It doesn't matter if you are speeding intentionally or not. Traffic Laws are Malum Prohibitum. Not Malum In Se. It doesn't matter why you are speeding the law says YOU CAN'T SPEED. ("wrong [as or because] prohibited")
The woman wasn't of course speeding..she aiding those that do.
I guess its just o.k. to stand there in another example and say don't steal this now. The cops are around. Secondly you do not know why the police officer was on the phone. It may well have been related to his position particularly if that was a departmentally issued phone.
The same with Rolling stops, if I was stopping and I get a call or saw a potential problem then yes I would do a rolling stop. But that was the in the nature of work.
I haven't had a Ticket since 1976.
It really isn't that hard.
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tommytrojan1122 said...
Wait a minute. What's the difference between what this lady did and what the sheriff does when the department announces the location and time of a DUI check point?
Hasn't the Supreme Court stated that for a check point to be legal, the police/sheriff must give advance notice?
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A-It doesn't matter if you are speeding intentionally or not. Traffic Laws are Malum Prohibitum. Not Malum In Se. It doesn't matter why you are speeding the law says YOU CAN'T SPEED. ("wrong [as or because] prohibited")
The woman wasn't of course speeding..she aiding those that do.
I guess its just o.k. to stand there in another example and say don't steal this now. The cops are around. Secondly you do not know why the police officer was on the phone. It may well have been related to his position particularly if that was a departmentally issued phone.
The same with Rolling stops, if I was stopping and I get a call or saw a potential problem then yes I would do a rolling stop. But that was the in the nature of work.
I haven't had a Ticket since 1976.
It really isn't that hard.
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D A Stankovich said...
1) Secondly you do not know why the police officer was on the phone. It may well have been related to his position particularly if that was a departmentally issued phone.
2 The same with Rolling stops, if I was stopping and I get a call or saw a potential problem then yes I would do a rolling stop. But that was the in the nature of work.
I haven't had a Ticket since 1976.
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brdcstr1 said...
.... "I haven't had a Ticket since 1976."
I've had two tickets since 1980... But I'm not foolish enough to believe that I've only broken the driving laws two times in over 30 years. Better to leave it that you haven't gotten caught for any driving violations since 1976.
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brdcstr1 said...
OK, lemme get this straight.
It is now against the law to attempt to prevent others from breaking the law?
What law is being broken by trying to 'frustrate the police' in the performance of their lawful duty?
Why didn't the prick cop charge her for breaking this alleged legitimate law that frustrated them from performing the duties of their job, if such a law actually exists?
Seems to me the only thing that could charge her with had to be a bogus charge that came down to a 'he said, she said' scenario in which the cops are given the benefit of the doubt in the courts.
Unfortunately, incidents like these erode the public trust in law enforcement and cause most people to mistrust the cops...with good reason.
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deetj13 said...
If it is a department issued phone, they would also be issued a headset...since it is THE LAW that one cannot drive while holding the handset to one's ear, due to the safety hazards it poses to the public. I am sure the police would not violate the law, or put the public in danger with their department issued phones. I will paraphrase you...YOU CAN'T DRIVE WHILE TALKING INTO YOUR HANDSET.
Nice try, though.
PS -- I have plenty of friends that are officers and detectives, and they have confirmed that both the LAPD and Pasadena police departments issue bluetooth headsets with their phones...Batter up!
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SC200SC said...
Years ago my agency was not fairly compensating the Police Officers while at the same time were fairly compensating the Fire Fighters. The City Personnel Director had a personal problem with Police Officers.
In response during a contract impasse, we began issuing warnings and putting DUIs into cabs rather than issue cites or make arrests.. Within a couple of weeks we received our much deserved raise in pay. Yes, it is about revenue as much as anything else.
The woman was well within her rights as long as she stayed out of the road. If she did, then the officer is falsifying an arrest report and should get 30 bricks if it's his first offense. If it has happened before, he deserves permanent bricks.
If the woman was in the roadway, then somebody needs to explain why she was physically arrested as opposed to a citation. She could have screwed up more than we know, but I smell something funny coming from the good guys' side in this case.
As you know, I will defend righteous cops to the death. Immature, ego maniacs I will point out all day long because they cause heartache for the rest.
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deetj13 said...
If it is a department issued phone, they would also be issued a headset...since it is THE LAW that one cannot drive while holding the handset to one's ear, due to the safety hazards it poses to the public. I am sure the police would not violate the law, or put the public in danger with their department issued phones. I will paraphrase you...YOU CAN'T DRIVE WHILE TALKING INTO YOUR HANDSET.
Nice try, though.
PS -- I have plenty of friends that are officers and detectives, and they have confirmed that both the LAPD and Pasadena police departments issue bluetooth headsets with their phones...Batter up!
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SC200SC said...
23123 CVC allows a handheld cell phone to be used to call a Law Enforcement agency or for other verifiable emergencies. Officers are exempt due to this law, as they are trying to outflank the police scanners.
Ear phones are not routinely issued, particularly by agencies that issue earpieces for the officers' portable radios and they would conflict.
To address the scanner issue and get officers off the phone, many agencies are turning to scramblers to defeat scanning. And of course officers are not supposed to be making routine calls while driving, but who is going to try to prove that one out?
It is like a game of tennis.
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She wasn't preventing somebody from breaking the law. Anymore than the guy in my example was. She was trying to prevent them from getting a ticket.
Look if an argument is too silly to be believed, I wouldn't try to make it. I will bet the person in the other Circuit didn't try anything that lame.
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