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phearsc said...
Now I'll get 47 down votes from the 6 liberals and their 20 accounts and my rating will plunge again, as is always the case when I venture here to the OT forum. BTW when did this place become so F'ing liberal?
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bigtrojaned said...
I worked for the registrar in SB county for 5 years. One county hit hard by the downturn. This county is a strong GOP county. Most poor people don't vote. I personally lean to the left and honestly I feel it is based on how u were raised. My parents grew up poor and earned what they have but I have never seen them lean to the right. I feel that has impacted my ways as well
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cstory80 said...
The most simple answer I can offer is that as people get older and acquire more stuff, they want to give less of that stuff to the government.
On the social front.....my opinion is that as people get older, they almost always think of those younger than themselves as pushing social boundaries more aggressively than they did in the past, so they are resistant to the change that those younger people represent......and they find themselves more comfortable with those that consider themselves to be socially conservative.
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cstory80 said...
The most simple answer I can offer is that as people get older and acquire more stuff, they want to give less of that stuff to the government.
On the social front.....my opinion is that as people get older, they almost always think of those younger than themselves as pushing social boundaries more aggressively than they did in the past, so they are resistant to the change that those younger people represent......and they find themselves more comfortable with those that consider themselves to be socially conservative.
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cstory80 said...
The most simple answer I can offer is that as people get older and acquire more stuff, they want to give less of that stuff to the government.
On the social front.....my opinion is that as people get older, they almost always think of those younger than themselves as pushing social boundaries more aggressively than they did in the past, so they are resistant to the change that those younger people represent......and they find themselves more comfortable with those that consider themselves to be socially conservative.
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cstory80 said...
The most simple answer I can offer is that as people get older and acquire more stuff, they want to give less of that stuff to the government.
On the social front.....my opinion is that as people get older, they almost always think of those younger than themselves as pushing social boundaries more aggressively than they did in the past, so they are resistant to the change that those younger people represent......and they find themselves more comfortable with those that consider themselves to be socially conservative.
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Mickey Av said...
Okay. I just performed an online search and I didnt find anything I would classify as the "answer" to this question. But I found some blogs that covered this subject. Their research has democrats of college level education edging out republicans 30% to 27%. So maybe RB is correct. But then again, anyone who has taken a stats course knows there is always margain for error and these usually lie +-5%. So we didnt really get anywhere with this.
If anyone else has concrete evidence Id love to see it. Interesting topic. But this also screams "my group is smarter than yours" so Im hesitant to get into this pissing contest that will inevitably go beyond the numbers into personal jabs.
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USCMichigander said...
First and foremost what draws the youth into politics are not foreign political matters, tax debates, or things of that nature, social issues are comprehensible to a political novice and something they can get passionate about. The youth lean left socially across the board which is why the GOP will soon be forced to adopt "state's rights" on social issues instead of wanting to bar abortion and gay marriage across the board. Beyond that, at face value liberalism is the ideal. Everyone is equal, yaddi yaddi ya. My girlfriend is a very intelligent girl but she isn't very involved politically (she is very much into philosophy). Because of this, she doesn't understand political issues and can only discuss them by being vague. Conservatism is not "ideal" to the human nature compared to liberalism. It is work for what you get vs. collectively work together for what everyone gets. Which sounds nicer to you? I've longed to write a book entitled "Rethinking Utopia" in which I propose anarchy, not communism, is what we should strive towards.
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GauchoGreg said...
Funny thing about "intelligence", it is not exactly a black-white issue. In my work, I deal with business owners, developers, farmers, bankers, lawyers, accountants, etc. etc. etc. Some of the smartest people I have met have been farmers, and it is not because of some pretty diplomas they have, or their flowery prose, but due to their understanding of what works, how to solve problems, how to improve things, how to deal with people, etc. Is some professor who has advanced degrees and may be able to do well on an IQ test smarter than a farmer? Smarter than a developer? How can you measure that? Personally, I find the smartest people to be those that can solve problems and make things work, to be productive, even if against the odds.
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Funny thing about "intelligence", it is not exactly a black-white issue. In my work, I deal with business owners, developers, farmers, bankers, lawyers, accountants, etc. etc. etc. Some of the smartest people I have met have been farmers, and it is not because of some pretty diplomas they have, or their flowery prose, but due to their understanding of what works, how to solve problems, how to improve things, how to deal with people, etc. Is some professor who has advanced degrees and may be able to do well on an IQ test smarter than a farmer? Smarter than a developer? How can you measure that? Personally, I find the smartest people to be those that can solve problems and make things work, to be productive, even if against the odds.
This post was edited by Mickey Av on 2/8/2012 at 12:49 PM
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GauchoGreg said...
Good post. Completely agree. Not easy to fully understand things when you have yet to really live through them, and with so much of your time, growing up, listening to teachers and learning theories, and much less learning how things may really work, what really motivates people, and seeing how lethargy can set in when motivation is not forced. Very good of you to see through this at an early age.
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phearsc said...
You basically implied liberals are smarter than everyone else.
My belief is that young people haven't yet accounted for human fallability and haven't been on their own long enough to have a sense of how much work and effort it takes to be successful. Ask a college student to average out their grades with the partiers and watch them all scoff - but these same college students will roundly defend socialism. Why? Simple. They own their grades, but they have none of their own money. As soon as they begin to feel the pinch in a personal way people begin to more closely examin just what is being done, and for whom, with that which is being taken from them. Nevermind that liberals have invaded academia. NOT because they are smarter, but as part of Alinksy's brilliant (albeit terribly immoral) plan/ideaology.
As an aside, one might note that academics are also very disconnected from the "real" world, relatively low earning power compared to other graduate educated folks, (my g/f is a PhD student - so this isn't blind accusation, but rather careful observation) and are extremely dependent on gov grants for research. It is, once again, in their best interest for big brother, leftist gov to take care of them so they can focus on their research.
Now I'll get 47 down votes from the 6 liberals and their 20 accounts and my rating will plunge again, as is always the case when I venture here to the OT forum. BTW when did this place become so F'ing liberal?
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TrojanMonkey said...
Anecdotally for me and people I grew up with and am still friends with "protecting our stuff" does not really come into play anymore when were older than it did when we were younger. I'd argue that I'm more willing / likely to give my stuff away now than i did when I was young and poor, mainly because I can spare it now. 20 year olds don't want to give away their stuff either.
Now as I've seen more and more waste and mismanagement of the stuff that I have given to the gov't over the years I've thought to myself giving the gov't more of my stuff is just sending good stuff after bad. That's a concept I didn't practically understand until after I got out of college. Throwing stuff at a problem is often not a good fix and just leads more waste and a lot more abuse of my stuff.
I agree with C on the social front. I think as people age they get more emotionally attached to the social norms and mores that are prevelant throughout their lives.
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Up votes from me. Easy to have high vote count when you are talking football, but speak your mind, no matter the logic behind you, and you will be labeled a bigot, or bitter, or whatever other fun label . . . . and get a down vote. Wear your lowered rating with pride!
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