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Morethanafan said...
However, very few Republicans are losing their registration. Mostly Democrats are. Some people do not have quick access (close to an election) to proof of citizenship. When my dad wanted to get a U.S. passport, it took him two years to prove that he was a U.S. citizen. He was naturalized just before being shipped off to fight in Europe during WWII and his documents were sent to his mom (my paternal grandmother). His mom passed away and he did not know what happened to the documents. It took two years for the INS (what it was called then) to locate his naturalization papers. There are older people in the U.S. without birth certificates, and some counties have had disasters (e.g. county buildings burnt down during fires) before computers and birth certificates were lost. It is very difficult for some people to get proof of citizenship in a timely manner.
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GauchoGreg said...
I like how Morethanafan and Chris both have now stated they oppose the suppression of votes, regardless if they are legal or not. Does not matter, apparently, if legal voters are casting the votes or not. I can't read what Morethan States ANY other way, can anyone else? I mean, he did say "regardless of whose vote is being suppressed" and "I do not want any votes suppressed". And I would think that Chris's "B-I-N-G-O" should be read to indicate his total agreement.
Why the fuck don't we go ahead and let the entire world vote in our elections and create our policy?
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deetj13 said...
I do not know why there are more Dem than GOP voters on the list of ineligible voters, I have not seen a good explanation for that - or even an attempt at explaining it, quite frankly. I also agree that this close to an election it is unfair to the eligible voters that may need to confirm eligibility to be removed from the list.
However, I am sure that you see the other side of the argument that we are within this prohibition window due to the unwillingness of the federal government to cooperate with FL to corroborate their voter rolls. Regardless of your opinion of the use of databases, Scott took the right path in asking DHS for access to the Db to confirm the names on his list. The state asked for access for legitimate reasons and is well within its rights to want to have as accurate a voter list as possible. The DHS refusal is an obstruction of that right.
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deetj13 said...
OK - now I know that you are letting your emotions take over. How could be be trying to purge the list of registered voters WITHOUT USING THE LIST OF REGISTERED VOTERS - aka the voter rolls.
I will stop trying to have a rational conversation with you now.
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GauchoGreg said...
If you want to vote get your shit together. There is no inherent thing that would disenfranchise Democrats more than Republicans. Better to avoid having a whole block of illegal people voting overwhelmingly in one direction and have a mix of some that, due to their own actions, not get to vote.
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Gr8ytHunter said...
Bologna !
You would let anyone vote that filled out a voter registration. Because if they lied on the form, they would be in deep doo doo.
However, you are against anyone checking to see if they lied on the form. If no one ever checks up to verify if someone lied, what would prevent someone from just signing up, no matter what country they 'belong' to ?
You scream like a gut shot panther when someone is asked to prove they are legal to vote, yet you have no concern, that for every illegal vote that is cast, it could negate a legal vote.
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D A Stankovich said...
AND YOU HAVE PRODUCED TONS OF FANTASY ABOUT PEOPLE CASTING FRAUDULENT VOTES. HOW MANY FRAUDULENT VOTES HAVE YOU FOUND?
THE ANSWER IS PRECISELY ZERO!
NOTHING
NADA
NOT ONE
YOU CITE FRAUDULENT SOURCES (I.E. JAMES O'KEEFE WHO HAS PROVED NOTHING AND REPEATEDLY BEEN SHOWN TO DOCTOR RESULTS TO SUIT HIS PURPOSES)
I NEED NO LECTURES FROM YOU SIR ABOUT WHO CARES ABOUT ELECTIONS
IF YOU REALLY CARED...YOU WOULD WANT IT DONE RIGHT.
BUT YOU DON'T!
YOU WANT IT DONE REPUBLICAN...AND THAT SIR IS NOT RIGHT!
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D A Stankovich said...
UM...OBVIOUSLY THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS THE LIST OF REGISTERED VOTERS. ITS CALLED THE VOTING ROLLS ALL ELECTIONS OFFICIALS IN FLORIDA HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR COUNTIES RECORDS.
BY THE WAY GR8TY RAISED THE ISSUE AS TO WHY SOME PEOPLE COULD NOT TAKE PART IN JURY DUTY BUT WERE ABLE TO VOTE.
THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE. FROM THE TIME THEY HAD SERVED JURY DUTY TO THE TIME THEY WERE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE. THEY HAD BECOME CITIZENS.
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No I want it done right. You want it done half assed. That is the way Rick Scott is doing it. If Scott was truly concerned with the issue he would want it done properly so that the innocent would be left alone and the guilty punished. He just wants it done the way you do.
At 31 Percent hopefully the good people of Florida will drop him like a bad habit when he comes up for reelection.
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Troybill said...
Why are most of the illegals l are of some type of minority in Florida and the Southwest? That is acutely obvious. How many Anglo Saxon, Germans, Swedes for example are coming into the country illegally by comparison. If most of the people are minorities that are doing this then the pool is going to be larger among these people. It is not that we have some vendetta against these people. Much of the issue as in Arizona was because some type of fear of racial discrimination. And, yes, probably more identify with the democratic party....Do you think? These are the same people that are paranoid about racial profiling and the same party that are providing all of the benefits and social programs which the people wanting hand outs gravitate toward. I have nothing against the latinos or any other person wanting to come to the US. We cannot even enforce our own immigration laws.
I ask the question again? Why do we not have some type of identification that shows we are a legal citizen. Washington State issues drivers licenses to illegals. How are you to use this to identify illegals. In England and France, you have to have work visas if you are spending any time employed there. We do not have the balls to enforce our own laws. All I see is a bunch of excuses why we are not. What is the best solution to enforce our own immigration laws? So far I see a big FAIL and a lot of lip service by both parties. We have put people on the moon, invented the artificial heart, discovered cures for many types of cancer, produced technology that is so incredible yet we have not been able to enforce our own immigration laws. I am starting to believe that like the last several wars we have been involved in that we do not have the will.
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deetj13 said...
Simmer down. My response was to a post that said that the state of FL was NOT using the voter rolls to compile their list.
I suggest you READ and not just react in a knee-jerk fashion. It undermines your credibility.
PS -- it is perfectly within the right of the state to ask for documentation of that change of status.
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D A Stankovich said...
I am not yelling. My stuff was on cap locks. Because of someone I was yelling at! And I don't disagree that they don't have the right to look. But just to fling people off the rolls without proof and those are legal voters?
That is like throwing you in jail for drunk driving before you've even gotten into your car.
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That would be called a drunk in public charge, but that is besides the point...I see where you are coming from.
I would like to know how you propose it is in the power of the registrar to confirm the immigration status, or status change of a person without the assistance of DHS/Immigration officials. I know you work in this field, so, perhaps, you can clear that up for us.
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So is it fair for FL to purge the state of non-citizen voters?