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So is it fair for FL to purge the state of non-citizen voters?

  • Morethanafan said...

    However, very few Republicans are losing their registration. Mostly Democrats are. Some people do not have quick access (close to an election) to proof of citizenship. When my dad wanted to get a U.S. passport, it took him two years to prove that he was a U.S. citizen. He was naturalized just before being shipped off to fight in Europe during WWII and his documents were sent to his mom (my paternal grandmother). His mom passed away and he did not know what happened to the documents. It took two years for the INS (what it was called then) to locate his naturalization papers. There are older people in the U.S. without birth certificates, and some counties have had disasters (e.g. county buildings burnt down during fires) before computers and birth certificates were lost. It is very difficult for some people to get proof of citizenship in a timely manner.

    If you want to vote get your shit together. There is no inherent thing that would disenfranchise Democrats more than Republicans. Better to avoid having a whole block of illegal people voting overwhelmingly in one direction and have a mix of some that, due to their own actions, not get to vote.

    GauchoGreg

  • GauchoGreg said...

    I like how Morethanafan and Chris both have now stated they oppose the suppression of votes, regardless if they are legal or not. Does not matter, apparently, if legal voters are casting the votes or not. I can't read what Morethan States ANY other way, can anyone else? I mean, he did say "regardless of whose vote is being suppressed" and "I do not want any votes suppressed". And I would think that Chris's "B-I-N-G-O" should be read to indicate his total agreement.

    Why the fuck don't we go ahead and let the entire world vote in our elections and create our policy?

    First nothing in that statement is true. There is nothing that the state of Florida needs from Homeland security that would make it impossible for them to determine whether voters are citizens.

    It would simply have to do a more careful analysis but then I guess that is too much to ask from Republicans.

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  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    Why is it that you do not care who votes ?

    A legal citizen voting, . . . . . . a non-citizen voting, . . . . seems you have no problem with either voting.

    I care. That is precisely it. I do care. YOU DON'T. YOU HAVE TAKEN THE POSITION THAT THE GOVERNOR SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO WILLY NILLY DIMISS PEOPLE FROM THE ROLES FOR NO BETTER REASON THAT SOMEBODY IN SOME DATABASE THAT MAY MISTAKENLY LIST YOU AS A NONCITIZEN.

    If there is a question, the state has sufficient tools to investigate properly.

    the bigger question is why to do you care so little about the state doing a proper analysis as a opposed to an easy one!

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  • Low5Point said...

    Wouldn't those with "Hispanic" names in Florida have a high probability of being Cuban? Wouldn't those same "Cuban Hispanic" names have a higher probability of voting a more conservative line?

    No...That is what Scott is afraid of. Apres Moi le Deluge!

    The numbers do not look good for Republicans.

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  • deetj13 said...

    I do not know why there are more Dem than GOP voters on the list of ineligible voters, I have not seen a good explanation for that - or even an attempt at explaining it, quite frankly. I also agree that this close to an election it is unfair to the eligible voters that may need to confirm eligibility to be removed from the list.

    However, I am sure that you see the other side of the argument that we are within this prohibition window due to the unwillingness of the federal government to cooperate with FL to corroborate their voter rolls. Regardless of your opinion of the use of databases, Scott took the right path in asking DHS for access to the Db to confirm the names on his list. The state asked for access for legitimate reasons and is well within its rights to want to have as accurate a voter list as possible. The DHS refusal is an obstruction of that right.

    If you don't know then you are willingly being naive and I have this bridge in Brooklyn fer ya! Yes you do know why those people are being ejected quicker.

    The other side of the argument has no standing. The state has effective tools for doing the investigation. As I noted the previous Secretary of State reviewed the records and wanted a more substantial investigation done. At no point did he mention the need of the list from Homeland Security.

    It may make things easier (but then again it may not!) Homeland security may have legitimate reasons for denying them the access to that list.

    The DHS refusal is therefore not an obstruction. (p.s. Florida has never had problems removing voters before. They removed lots ILLEGALLY BEFORE THERE WAS AN DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY IN 2000!)

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  • deetj13 said...

    OK - now I know that you are letting your emotions take over. How could be be trying to purge the list of registered voters WITHOUT USING THE LIST OF REGISTERED VOTERS - aka the voter rolls.

    I will stop trying to have a rational conversation with you now.

    UM...OBVIOUSLY THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS THE LIST OF REGISTERED VOTERS. ITS CALLED THE VOTING ROLLS ALL ELECTIONS OFFICIALS IN FLORIDA HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR COUNTIES RECORDS.

    BY THE WAY GR8TY RAISED THE ISSUE AS TO WHY SOME PEOPLE COULD NOT TAKE PART IN JURY DUTY BUT WERE ABLE TO VOTE.

    THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE. FROM THE TIME THEY HAD SERVED JURY DUTY TO THE TIME THEY WERE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE. THEY HAD BECOME CITIZENS.

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  • GauchoGreg said...

    If you want to vote get your shit together. There is no inherent thing that would disenfranchise Democrats more than Republicans. Better to avoid having a whole block of illegal people voting overwhelmingly in one direction and have a mix of some that, due to their own actions, not get to vote.

    I have a better idea. How about the State of Florida gets its shit together and do things the right way and not the easy way. Which obviously is the way you want and not how these things are supposed to be done.

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    I care. That is precisely it. I do care.

    Bologna !

    You would let anyone vote that filled out a voter registration. Because if they lied on the form, they would be in deep doo doo.

    However, you are against anyone checking to see if they lied on the form. If no one ever checks up to verify if someone lied, what would prevent someone from just signing up, no matter what country they 'belong' to ?

    You scream like a gut shot panther when someone is asked to prove they are legal to vote, yet you have no concern, that for every illegal vote that is cast, it could negate a legal vote.

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    Bologna !

    You would let anyone vote that filled out a voter registration. Because if they lied on the form, they would be in deep doo doo.

    However, you are against anyone checking to see if they lied on the form. If no one ever checks up to verify if someone lied, what would prevent someone from just signing up, no matter what country they 'belong' to ?

    You scream like a gut shot panther when someone is asked to prove they are legal to vote, yet you have no concern, that for every illegal vote that is cast, it could negate a legal vote.

    AND YOU HAVE PRODUCED TONS OF FANTASY ABOUT PEOPLE CASTING FRAUDULENT VOTES. HOW MANY FRAUDULENT VOTES HAVE YOU FOUND?

    THE ANSWER IS PRECISELY ZERO!

    NOTHING

    NADA

    NOT ONE

    YOU CITE FRAUDULENT SOURCES (I.E. JAMES O'KEEFE WHO HAS PROVED NOTHING AND REPEATEDLY BEEN SHOWN TO DOCTOR RESULTS TO SUIT HIS PURPOSES)

    I NEED NO LECTURES FROM YOU SIR ABOUT WHO CARES ABOUT ELECTIONS

    IF YOU REALLY CARED...YOU WOULD WANT IT DONE RIGHT.

    BUT YOU DON'T!

    YOU WANT IT DONE REPUBLICAN...AND THAT SIR IS NOT RIGHT!

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    AND YOU HAVE PRODUCED TONS OF FANTASY ABOUT PEOPLE CASTING FRAUDULENT VOTES. HOW MANY FRAUDULENT VOTES HAVE YOU FOUND?

    THE ANSWER IS PRECISELY ZERO!

    NOTHING

    NADA

    NOT ONE

    YOU CITE FRAUDULENT SOURCES (I.E. JAMES O'KEEFE WHO HAS PROVED NOTHING AND REPEATEDLY BEEN SHOWN TO DOCTOR RESULTS TO SUIT HIS PURPOSES)

    I NEED NO LECTURES FROM YOU SIR ABOUT WHO CARES ABOUT ELECTIONS

    IF YOU REALLY CARED...YOU WOULD WANT IT DONE RIGHT.

    BUT YOU DON'T!

    YOU WANT IT DONE REPUBLICAN...AND THAT SIR IS NOT RIGHT!

    Dobra večer, gospodin Stanković!

    Apal

  • D A Stankovich said...

    YOU WANT IT DONE REPUBLICAN...

    And you want it done 1/2 assed . . . . . . easy to see why you work for the Government.

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    And you want it done 1/2 assed . . . . . . easy to see why you work for the Government.

    No I want it done right. You want it done half assed. That is the way Rick Scott is doing it. If Scott was truly concerned with the issue he would want it done properly so that the innocent would be left alone and the guilty punished. He just wants it done the way you do.

    At 31 Percent hopefully the good people of Florida will drop him like a bad habit when he comes up for reelection.

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  • Why are most of the illegals l are of some type of minority in Florida and the Southwest? That is acutely obvious. How many Anglo Saxon, Germans, Swedes for example are coming into the country illegally by comparison. If most of the people are minorities that are doing this then the pool is going to be larger among these people. It is not that we have some vendetta against these people. Much of the issue as in Arizona was because some type of fear of racial discrimination. And, yes, probably more identify with the democratic party....Do you think? These are the same people that are paranoid about racial profiling and the same party that are providing all of the benefits and social programs which the people wanting hand outs gravitate toward. I have nothing against the latinos or any other person wanting to come to the US. We cannot even enforce our own immigration laws.

    I ask the question again? Why do we not have some type of identification that shows we are a legal citizen. Washington State issues drivers licenses to illegals. How are you to use this to identify illegals. In England and France, you have to have work visas if you are spending any time employed there. We do not have the balls to enforce our own laws. All I see is a bunch of excuses why we are not. What is the best solution to enforce our own immigration laws? So far I see a big FAIL and a lot of lip service by both parties. We have put people on the moon, invented the artificial heart, discovered cures for many types of cancer, produced technology that is so incredible yet we have not been able to enforce our own immigration laws. I am starting to believe that like the last several wars we have been involved in that we do not have the will.

    Troybill

  • D A Stankovich said...

    UM...OBVIOUSLY THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS THE LIST OF REGISTERED VOTERS. ITS CALLED THE VOTING ROLLS ALL ELECTIONS OFFICIALS IN FLORIDA HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR COUNTIES RECORDS.

    BY THE WAY GR8TY RAISED THE ISSUE AS TO WHY SOME PEOPLE COULD NOT TAKE PART IN JURY DUTY BUT WERE ABLE TO VOTE.

    THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE. FROM THE TIME THEY HAD SERVED JURY DUTY TO THE TIME THEY WERE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE. THEY HAD BECOME CITIZENS.

    Simmer down. My response was to a post that said that the state of FL was NOT using the voter rolls to compile their list.

    I suggest you READ and not just react in a knee-jerk fashion. It undermines your credibility.

    PS -- it is perfectly within the right of the state to ask for documentation of that change of status.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by deetj13 on 6/14/2012 at 1:05 PM

    deetj13

  • I get down voted for pointing out the obvious and asking the age old question why can't we enforce our own laws? WTF?

    Troybill

  • Up vote to balance it out.

    deetj13

  • Troybill said...

    I get down voted for pointing out the obvious and asking the age old question why can't we enforce our own laws? WTF?

    You are now positive.

    GauchoGreg

  • D A Stankovich said...

    No I want it done right. You want it done half assed. That is the way Rick Scott is doing it. If Scott was truly concerned with the issue he would want it done properly so that the innocent would be left alone and the guilty punished. He just wants it done the way you do.

    At 31 Percent hopefully the good people of Florida will drop him like a bad habit when he comes up for reelection.

    No, no, no, you jacknut, I just wan it done.
    Who's else going to do it ? The Dems ? lol roflmao lol roflmao

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    No, no, no, you jacknut, I just wan it done. Who's else going to do it ? The Dems ? lolroflmaololroflmao

    at least they do not want to deny citizens their right to vote. This attempt by Florida is a tots disgrace, it figures you would line up behind it.

    Rosebowl91

  • For those that believe this is just Scott innocently trying to remove non-eligible voters, let me give you more information. Scott passed other laws to stop registration. For example, he introduced legislation that was passed and signed by him to require all registrations to be turned in within 48 hours. Failure to turn in the registration subjected the organization and its employees (personally) to heavy fines. I.e. if someone was registered on Friday afternoon or evening, it was impossible to comply with the requirement and the organization and person taking the registration was subject to a heavy fine without any ability to avoid it. Of course, this was struck down by the federal courts. Why was this law passed? It effectively stopped registration of new voters in Florida. Something that heavily helps Democrats. Virtually all organizations that register new voters stopped doing so until the law was ruled unconstitutional. There was no purpose for this law other than to suppress the vote.

    Morethanafan

  • Troybill said...

    Why are most of the illegals l are of some type of minority in Florida and the Southwest? That is acutely obvious. How many Anglo Saxon, Germans, Swedes for example are coming into the country illegally by comparison. If most of the people are minorities that are doing this then the pool is going to be larger among these people. It is not that we have some vendetta against these people. Much of the issue as in Arizona was because some type of fear of racial discrimination. And, yes, probably more identify with the democratic party....Do you think? These are the same people that are paranoid about racial profiling and the same party that are providing all of the benefits and social programs which the people wanting hand outs gravitate toward. I have nothing against the latinos or any other person wanting to come to the US. We cannot even enforce our own immigration laws.

    I ask the question again? Why do we not have some type of identification that shows we are a legal citizen. Washington State issues drivers licenses to illegals. How are you to use this to identify illegals. In England and France, you have to have work visas if you are spending any time employed there. We do not have the balls to enforce our own laws. All I see is a bunch of excuses why we are not. What is the best solution to enforce our own immigration laws? So far I see a big FAIL and a lot of lip service by both parties. We have put people on the moon, invented the artificial heart, discovered cures for many types of cancer, produced technology that is so incredible yet we have not been able to enforce our own immigration laws. I am starting to believe that like the last several wars we have been involved in that we do not have the will.

    Actually Bill none of this has anything to do with throwing legal voters off the voting rolls. Nor does it have anything to do with the idea that is blunty ridiculous that the voting rolls are wrought with illegal voters.

    Again, there is sufficient ability for any county registrar of voters to investigate whether the people registered are legal voters or not.

    The reason that elections officials are not screaming bloody murder as you want them to is simple. They have looked at the problem and as the secretary of state of Florida realized its not serious.

    Too often Conservatives build great walls to keep out mythical invasions of Mongols that are never going to come. There are lawful ways of doing this. Scott is not interested in doing it in the lawful way.

    What you are ignoring is that if you let Scott do things the way he wants to do them. The other side can turn around and do it to you.

    Just before some big election thousands of Republicans and independents can be disenfranchised purely on the whims and speculations of a group of political officials WITH NO CORROBORATING EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER.

    Is that what your really want? And when it happens to you will you promise not to complain?

    Cuz I can promise you I will.

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  • deetj13 said...

    Simmer down. My response was to a post that said that the state of FL was NOT using the voter rolls to compile their list.

    I suggest you READ and not just react in a knee-jerk fashion. It undermines your credibility.

    PS -- it is perfectly within the right of the state to ask for documentation of that change of status.

    I am not yelling. My stuff was on cap locks. Because of someone I was yelling at! And I don't disagree that they don't have the right to look. But just to fling people off the rolls without proof and those are legal voters?

    That is like throwing you in jail for drunk driving before you've even gotten into your car.

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    I am not yelling. My stuff was on cap locks. Because of someone I was yelling at! And I don't disagree that they don't have the right to look. But just to fling people off the rolls without proof and those are legal voters?

    That is like throwing you in jail for drunk driving before you've even gotten into your car.

    That would be called a drunk in public charge, but that is besides the point...I see where you are coming from.

    I would like to know how you propose it is in the power of the registrar to confirm the immigration status, or status change of a person without the assistance of DHS/Immigration officials. I know you work in this field, so, perhaps, you can clear that up for us.

    deetj13

  • deetj13 said...

    That would be called a drunk in public charge, but that is besides the point...I see where you are coming from.

    I would like to know how you propose it is in the power of the registrar to confirm the immigration status, or status change of a person without the assistance of DHS/Immigration officials. I know you work in this field, so, perhaps, you can clear that up for us.

    DItto

    Troybill

  • Rosebowl91 said...

    at least they (the Dems) do not want to deny {any citizens of the world} their right to vote {in our elections}.

    Fixed it for you, in case some of the Libs were looking in (don't want to get you in trouble with them).

    Gr8ytHunter