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Reason why Romney won't release his tax returns

  • wake6830 said...

    You are aware that a number of prominent conservatives and conservative publications have called for him to release additional returns, right?

    Do you think Bill Kristol, Haley Barbour, George Will and the fine folks at NRO are planning to vote for Obama?

    I know that some of these people have said so, and they are wrong. You are aware that the "Right Wing" (according to one unnamed unAmerican leftist who comes here) New York Times published an article which is not inconsistent with my view....giving both sides.

    No, I do not believe that Kristol, etal, will vote for Obama, but they might refuse to vote. I like Kristol and Will very much, but both have terrible records as political analysts/strategists/prognosticators....

    I also do not believe that wake, and all of the other board libs, will vote for Romney even if he does release more returns, no matter what might be in them. I also believe that if he were to release any more, those same people will attempt to distort whatever is in them....

    This post was edited by old scotty on 7/19/2012 at 5:33 PM

    old scotty

  • old scotty said...

    I know that some of these people have said so, and they are wrong. You are aware that the "Right Wing" (according to one unnamed unAmerican leftist who comes here) New York Times published an article which is not inconsistent with my view....giving both sides.

    No, I do not believe that Kristol, etal, will vote for Obama, but they might refuse to vote. I like Kristol and Will very much, but both have terrible records as political analysts/strategists/prognosticators....

    I also do not believe that wake, and all of the other board libs, will vote for Romney even if he does release more returns, no matter what might be in them. I also believe that if he were to release any more, those same people will attempt to distort whatever is in them....

    It doesn't really matter if they are wrong or not. My point is that you stated that none of the people "screaming" for Romney to release additional returns would vote for him anyway, as if this was some liberal circle-jerk, when in fact a number of prominent conservatives have called on Romney to do so. This is not the one-sided argument you make it out to be.

    My reluctance to vote for Romney has nothing to do with anything that might be found in his tax returns. My interest in this story is based on my belief that he's making a campaign mistake in not releasing additional returns - not because I have any interest in what they might show.

    wake6830

  • TrojanMonkey said...

    I totally remember that posts...that's why I brought it up. I was surprised to see you imply that Romney should release his tax returns (which I believe you did by saying that those are different than transcripts, F&F, etc...)

    I didn't say that Romney should release his returns. I've stated that I believe he will....if he believes it is necessary.

    The post to which you refer is when I wished that someone would explain the difference between tax returns and transcripts. You later agreed with my explanation as to why they were different.

    cstory80

  • Those on the right that are encouraging Romney to release his tax returns are doing so because they believe it will appease the left. they are wrong...like always. The left is never appeased. They lie, distort and demand more. They will continue to do whatever it takes to keep the public and their bitches in the press off the real discussions surrounding this election...the economy and job; both miserable failures under the current administration.

    Every poll over the last week or so has shown the public doesn't give a shit about Bain, tax returns or anything else Obama has thrown against the wall. they care about jobs, the economy and, MOST IMPORTANTLY (according to the two polls released today), which candidate will get the fuck out of their lives and let them succeed. Both polls released today showed that a vast majority (62% and 64%) believe government does more harm than good in regards to the economy. And that is where these two candidates are showing their differences...Romney actually believes in the people of America, their spirit, fortitude and ABILITY to accomplish great things and Obama believes you can't do shit without the government providing the pot.

    Low5Point

  • cstory80 said...

    I didn't say that Romney should release his returns. I've stated that I believe he will....if he believes it is necessary.

    The post to which you refer is when I wished that someone would explain the difference between tax returns and transcripts. You later agreed with my explanation as to why they were different.

    I inferred from that post (possibly my bad) that since there is a difference between transcripts and tax returns that the difference would include the need to release them or not. But that's why I was asking for clarification, I realized I might have been making a wrong inference.

    Often a question is just a question C

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by TrojanMonkey on 7/19/2012 at 9:15 PM

    The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager

    TrojanMonkey

  • Low5Point said...

    Those on the right that are encouraging Romney to release his tax returns are doing so because they believe it will appease the left. they are wrong...like always. The left is never appeased. They lie, distort and demand more. They will continue to do whatever it takes to keep the public and their bitches in the press off the real discussions surrounding this election...the economy and job; both miserable failures under the current administration.

    Every poll over the last week or so has shown the public doesn't give a shit about Bain, tax returns or anything else Obama has thrown against the wall. they care about jobs, the economy and, MOST IMPORTANTLY (according to the two polls released today), which candidate will get the fuck out of their lives and let them succeed. Both polls released today showed that a vast majority (62% and 64%) believe government does more harm than good in regards to the economy. And that is where these two candidates are showing their differences...Romney actually believes in the people of America, their spirit, fortitude and ABILITY to accomplish great things and Obama believes you can't do shit without the government providing the pot.

    You are out of your goddamn mind if you think that anyone at NRO is interested in appeasing the left.

    This post was edited by wake6830 on 7/19/2012 at 6:40 PM

    wake6830

  • MJRuffalo said...

    There is only exactly one reason Romney will not release his tax returns. Anyone who disagrees is ignorant.

    Romney and his team believe that the information on his tax returns will hurt him more than the negative press and reaction he will get from not releasing them at all.

    Not true at all.

    If absolutely NOTHING damning is found in his tax returns...it allows Obama to continue controlling the message.

    If he's invested in foreign companies...he's a traitor...in spite of 5 millionaires on Obamas staff having investments in foreign companies themselves.

    brdcstr1

  • Tell me again that this isn't a political ploy...

    Nancy Pelosi Downplays Tax Return Demand : Roll Call News

    Facing questions about why she and other top Congressional officials won t release their tax returns, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) downplayed her previous demands for presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney to release his, calling the issue a distraction.

    www.rollcall.com

    stevetrojanman

  • stevetrojanman said...

    Tell me again that this isn't a political ploy...

    LOL - Classic!

    Do as I say, not as I do.

    Pelosi just does not want to get pinched for all of the insider trading her husband did.

    This post was edited by deetj13 on 7/19/2012 at 7:31 PM

    deetj13

  • stevetrojanman said...

    Tell me again that this isn't a political ploy...

    Chris?

    Rose?

    LessThan?

    HypocritesRUs

    This post was edited by Low5Point on 7/19/2012 at 9:06 PM

    Low5Point

  • Low5Point said...

    Chris?

    Rose?

    LessThan?

    HypocritesRUs

    don't forget the professor...to quote RoseBowl....people have actual concerns about this....

    This post was edited by old scotty on 7/20/2012 at 1:10 AM

    old scotty

  • cstory80 said...

    You seem to miss a shit load of posts, but then you swear up and down that we should take your word when you state that another poster has posted something that he denies.

    I've said many, many, many times that if candidates came to me for advice on this subject, I would advise them to not release anything that is not legally required.....and/or anything the candidate/campaign does not feel is necessary.

    You've actually responded to posts in which I have stated my position. Do you no longer remember what I have said on the subject? Do you believe I have stated something different in this thread?

    and of course I agree that I miss a shit load of posts. Obviously I read the posts I read and I remember the ones I remember. Missing a shit load of posts does not mean I don't remember the ones I remember. I remembered the post you made about what you'd adivse a candidate to relasee perfectly and that's why I referenced it. I was wondering if you had possibly had a change of heart (I didn't declare you did....just wondered). So I asked. Nothing wrong with a change of heart. You feeling something is neccessary is a bit hard to define without clarification as many people could have different definitions of wht is necessary.

    Now as to me missing a shit load of posts, like i said, of course I do. I read about 1 in 10 threads that are on the first two pages when I visit the board. I'd say of all the posts on the board I've missed more than 99% of them. And of the less than 1% I read I bet I remember the general message of 1% of those. So while I don't claim to read or remember every post I do remember the ones I remember. I remembered your comments on what you woud advise a candidate to release but obvioiusly not every post you've ever made and if you made one that contradicted that post I either missed it or don't remember it. I assume you are referening to me remembering Morethana claiming to be a con in his group of friends when talking about me swearing up and down. I saw the post and I remember it. I also know he did make contradictory posts that he was center left, center right, and plain ole center. Thats why I like to needle him when he insults all cons

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by TrojanMonkey on 7/20/2012 at 7:30 AM

    The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager

    TrojanMonkey

  • brdcstr1 said...

    Not true at all.

    If absolutely NOTHING damning is found in his tax returns...it allows Obama to continue controlling the message.

    If he's invested in foreign companies...he's a traitor...in spite of 5 millionaires on Obamas staff having investments in foreign companies themselves.

    No, you are incorrect on this issue. I am correct in my assessment. These are pure political strategists making decisions, and this is a strategical decision.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    No, you are incorrect on this issue. I am correct in my assessment. These are pure political strategists making decisions, and this is a strategical decision.

    it is stunning to me if he thought he'd run for POTUS and this wouldn't come up. especially with the blame the rich culture we live in.

    The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager

    TrojanMonkey

  • brdcstr1 said...

    Not true at all.

    If absolutely NOTHING damning is found in his tax returns...it allows Obama to continue controlling the message.

    If he's invested in foreign companies...he's a traitor...in spite of 5 millionaires on Obamas staff having investments in foreign companies themselves.

    Only conservatives have made an issue of investments in foreign companies. I have not seen one liberal make an issue of it. On the other hand, liberals will make an issue of tax evasion by him hiding his money offshore if he did.

    Producing tax returns would shrink the time this is a story by a lot. Hiding them is what is keeping this as a story. So, your excuse makes zero sense.

    Morethanafan

  • stevetrojanman said...

    Tell me again that this isn't a political ploy...

    of course it is. i don't think anyone denies that

    What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

    scinsc5

  • scinsc5 said...

    of course it is. i don't think anyone denies that

    I think people have been very upfront about this being a political issue when speaking about the issue.

    Fact: Just about everything that we see and hear coming out of Washington from now until November will be a "poitical ploy".

    cstory80

  • deetj13 said...

    LOL - Classic!

    Do as I say, not as I do.

    Pelosi just does not want to get pinched for all of the insider trading her husband did.

    Boehner and Republicans agreed with her. Congress, on both sides of the aisle, would be very embarrassed if their tax returns are exposed. A lot of insider trading and other dealings would be exposed.

    Morethanafan

  • stevetrojanman said...

    Tell me again that this isn't a political ploy...

    What else would requesting your political opponent to produce damaging documents be?

    Morethanafan

  • Low5Point said...

    Chris?

    Rose?

    LessThan?

    HypocritesRUs

    What is the question?

    Morethanafan

  • Morethanafan said...

    What else would requesting your political opponent to produce damaging documents be?

    Must be why Obama refuses to release his transcripts.

    I see that you have promoted yourself from lunatic lawyer status to judge, jury, and executioner.

    brdcstr1

  • brdcstr1 said...

    Must be why Obama refuses to release his transcripts.

    I see that you have promoted yourself from lunatic lawyer status to judge, jury, and executioner.

    It very well could be. It could also be that he has already released what every President has released, his tax returns. He has already gone beyond that to satisfy the lunative birthers, such as yourself. First he released his Certificate of Live Birth and two notices in the local papers announcing his birth. That was not enough for birthers. He then released the long form birth certificate. After that, the fringe wants something else never released, his transcripts. There is a point that one says "enough is enough." However, as the National Review stated, that is not until you produce that which is normally produced by convention, tax returns. As the National Review wrote, once you do that, you are on solid ground to refuse unreasonable requests.

    By the way, what were your posts regarding ad hominem attacks again? I forgot. Can you remind me?

    This post was edited by Morethanafan on 7/20/2012 at 6:06 PM

    Morethanafan

  • cstory80 said...

    You seem to miss a shit load of posts,

    What % of posts do you miss?

    The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager

    TrojanMonkey

  • TrojanMonkey said...

    What % of posts do you miss?

    He seems to miss all the ones which prove him to be foolish, insincere, or devious, such as all the posts about his ridiculous claim that he intentionally refused to take certain tax deductions because he is morally superior to those of us who do take them, and he wants the federal government to get more of his money. And, I cannot go banished into that good night without mentioning, for perhaps the last time, that he seems to have missed every post which called him out about his insincere and unfulfilled promise to enlist, if and only if, his flawed and underqualified candidate got elected.

    This post was edited by old scotty on 7/21/2012 at 12:39 PM

    old scotty

  • old scotty said...

    He seems to miss all the ones which prove him to be foolish, insincere, or devious, such as all the posts about his ridiculous claim that he intentionally refused to take certain tax deductions because he is morally superior to those of us who do take them, and he wants the federal government to get more of his money. And, I cannot go banished into that good night without mentioning, for perhaps the last time, that he seems to have missed every post which called him out about his insincere and unfulfilled promise to enlist, if and only if, his flawed and underqualified candidate got elected.

    This post seems needlessly personal. The angel of death flew over your house this once but I wouldn't try and encourage a return visit.

    “Close tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share,” Reagan vowed.

    swr22