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  • cstory80 said...

    The thread reads as if he believes that the Public Option is part of the law.

    The is no single payer, I knew that, now . . . . . . . how will the "poor and minorities' get an insurance card from whatever company is providing them with insurance ?

    Sorry you could not justify your previous argument on providing an ID to access "service".

    You knew all along your argument was bullshit, so you came up with ANOTHER bullshit argument to try and cover your tracks.

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    The is no single payer, I knew that, now . . . . . . . how will the "poor and minorities' get an insurance card from whatever company is providing them with insurance ?

    Sorry you could not justify your previous argument on providing an ID to access "service".

    You knew all along your argument was bullshit, so you came up with ANOTHER bullshit argument to try and cover your tracks.

    Please point me to this previous argument. I would like to see what I wrote on the subject.

    cstory80

  • Rosebowl91 said...

    your question illustrates your complete lack of understanding of the Affordable Care Act.

    Oh no...the Flat Earth Society is having another meeting celebrating their Genius.....roflmao

    THE EARTH IS FLAT

    THE EARTH IS FLAT

    roflmao

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  • Yes, yes, Stank, . . . . everyone see's that your previous argument is falling apart, . . . . . . . . . just the same as you do.

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    Yes, yes, Stank, . . . . everyone see's that your previous argument is falling apart, . . . . . . . . . just the same as you do.

    Really? Again...where is the fraud? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU ALL HAVE POSTED THESE LITTLE SEMANTIC DROPS INTO IRREALITY (is that an actual word?). But again. ...where are the fraudulent votes. IN all the examples ever given on this board, you have not produced one!

    Not one!

    And that like your logic is pathetic.

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    Really? Again...where is the fraud? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU ALL HAVE POSTED THESE LITTLE SEMANTIC DROPS INTO IRREALITY (is that an actual word?). But again. ...where are the fraudulent votes. IN all the examples ever given on this board, you have not produced one!

    Not one!

    And that like your logic is pathetic.

    How are all the poor and minority people going to be able to access health care now ? ?

    Hey, I have been with my insurance company for years and when I went to my primary Dr. and the Orthopedic surgeon's office for my quad tendon tear, . . . . funny, . . . . both asked me for the same 2 things. My insurance card and my ID.

    So, it looks like your argument is out the window, that it is too discriminatory for poor and minority people to get an ID to vote, but not to provide an ID to access health care.

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    How are all the poor and minority people going to be able to access health care now ? ?

    Hey, I have been with my insurance company for years and when I went to my primary Dr. and the Orthopedic surgeon's office for my quad tendon tear, . . . . funny, . . . . both asked me for the same 2 things. My insurance card and my ID.

    So, it looks like your argument is out the window, that it is too discriminatory for poor and minority people to get an ID to vote, but not to provide an ID to access health care.

    If there is a bigger non sequitur in this argument that has been used I haven't heard it.

    A-You would have to purchase or have an i.d. issued via your insurance company.

    b-Your insurance company isn't involved in voter suppression so it won't be closing any of the only places you can get i.d. because it suits the party (i.e.) the GOP that wants to make sure you aren't voting.

    c-I never had to provide a birth certificate to any place that gave me medical benefits. Neither will anybody else.

    But hey, why let little things like facts interfere with your fantasies.

    Oh and just so you aren't dumb enough to think that it will therefore constitute i.d. for voting. Remember. Obamacare is not Universal Healthcare. There are people who still will not be covered. Part of the negotiation it took to get it passed.

    And who's heath care plans gives photo i.d. anyway. I had Kaiser, Blue Cross, HLP in New York and the County Health Plan in Contra Costa. None of them issue a photo i.d.

    And again, what do we need it for anyway?

    Where are the fraudulent votes?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by D A Stankovich on 7/1/2012 at 11:10 PM

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    If there is a bigger non sequitur in this argument that has been used I haven't heard it.

    A-You would have to purchase or have an i.d. issued via your insurance company.

    b-Your insurance company isn't involved in voter suppression so it won't be closing any of the only places you can get i.d. because it suits the party (i.e.) the GOP that wants to make sure you aren't voting.

    c-I never had to provide a birth certificate to any place that gave me medical benefits. Neither will anybody else.

    But hey, why let little things like facts interfere with your fantasies.

    Oh and just so you aren't dumb enough to think that it will therefore constitute i.d. for voting. Remember. Obamacare is not Universal Healthcare. There are people who still will not be covered. Part of the negotiation it took to get it passed.

    And who's heath care plans gives photo i.d. anyway. I had Kaiser, Blue Cross, HLP in New York and the County Health Plan in Contra Costa. None of them issue a photo i.d.

    And again, what do we need it for anyway?

    Where are the fraudulent votes?

    This thread blows my mind.

    “Close tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share,” Reagan vowed.

    swr22

  • swr22 said...

    This thread blows my mind.

    He is lashing out at any angle he can find after two years of claiming it was unconstitutional and falling so flat.

    Rosebowl91

  • Rosebowl91 said...

    He is lashing out at any angle he can find after two years of claiming it was unconstitutional and falling so flat.

    I am not exactly convinced that he knows what the Law exactly contains. He just wants to rail against anything 'the other side' has passed. Sad. Meanwhile Scotty is giving me lecture on 'incivility'. You couldn't make it up.

    “Close tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share,” Reagan vowed.

    swr22

  • Rosebowl91 said...

    He is lashing out at any angle he can find after two years of claiming it was unconstitutional and falling so flat.

    One of the things in life that I have always found important is to know what you don't know. If ya don't know about something. Don't wing it!

    His threads are prime example as to why.

    There is the concept called the illusion of explanatory depth. http://scienceblogs.com/mixingmemory/2006/11/16/the-illusion-of-explanatory-de/

    He is a classic carrier......

    But what is worse is that he throws in Partisan Hacks to fill the absence in knowledge. So we get this silly thread.

    I should ignore him. But the thing is that I can't let the explosion of ignorance go.

    If you do...then it spreads to those content with being gullible out there. Nobody is right about everything, people do make mistakes but the thing to do is not revel in it. When one of your sources gets caught repeatedly lying. Don't keep citing him.

    This post was edited by D A Stankovich on 7/2/2012 at 8:34 AM

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  • D A Stankovich said...

    One of the things in life that I have always found important is to know what you don't know. If ya don't know about something. Don't wing it!

    His threads are prime example as to why.

    There is the concept called the illusion of explanatory depth. http://scienceblogs.com/mixingmemory/2006/11/16/the-illusion-of-explanatory-de/

    He is a classic carrier......

    But what is worse is that he throws in Partisan Hacks to fill the absence in knowledge. So we get this silly thread.

    I should ignore him. But the thing is that I can't let the explosion of ignorance go.

    If you do...then it spreads to those content with being gullible out there. Nobody is right about everything, people do make mistakes but the thing to do is not revel in it. When one of your sources gets caught repeatedly lying. Don't keep citing him.

    You still have not explained why getting an ID to access healthcare is not too much of a burden on the poor/minorities to obtain access to/for health care.

    You said they could not get an ID to vote. And that that forcing them to get an ID was too much of a burden on them and very unfair.

    Now they will have to get an ID, to access health care, but you are not explaining how it is an unfair request of them by the Government to do so.

    Republicans say - 'Must have ID' . . . Stank says - 'no, too much of a burden'

    Democrates say - 'Must have ID' . . . Stank says - 'nothing'

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    You still have not explained why getting an ID to access healthcare is not too much of a burden on the poor/minorities to obtain access to/for health care.

    You said they could not get an ID to vote. And that that forcing them to get an ID was too much of a burden on them and very unfair.

    Now they will have to get an ID, to access health care, but you are not explaining how it is an unfair request of them by the Government to do so.

    Republicans say - 'Must have ID' . . . Stank says - 'no, too much of a burden'

    Democrates say - 'Must have ID' . . . Stank says - 'nothing'

    Aetna just send me an ID. The Government doesn't ask them. I didn't ask them. This is not analogous.

    “Close tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share,” Reagan vowed.

    swr22

  • The only thing that doesn't make sense about this thread is that at no point a con/rightist hasn't been willing to step up and let the OP know that he is not making a very good argument against the ACA......and there are solid arguments to be made against the ACA.

    cstory80

  • swr22 said...

    Aetna just send me an ID. The Government doesn't ask them. I didn't ask them. This is not analogous.

    Wait until you go to the Dr.'s office. They will ask you for ID.

    Read the card . . . . it says "This card does not guarantee coverage"

    I'm guessing one of the conditions of the company is that you have to prove you are the same person that is named on the card, . . . . no ?.

    This post was edited by Gr8ytHunter on 7/2/2012 at 11:20 AM

    Gr8ytHunter

  • cstory80 said...

    The only thing that doesn't make sense about this thread is that at no point a con/rightist hasn't been willing to step up and let the OP know that he is not making a very good argument against the ACA......and there are solid arguments to be made against the ACA.

    Please relay how people will be treated without an ID.

    If no ID is required, how will they know who is who ?

    Or did Obama lie (again) when he said illegals would not be covered.

    And if they must in the end provide an ID, why is it not a burden on the poor and or minorities to get an ID ?

    Gr8ytHunter

  • My understanding is that there will be no changes in the way that insurance companies distribute ID cards. Have you heard or read something different? If so, what have you heard or read?

    Now, earlier in the thread you mentioned an argument in which you stated that I shared "ANOTHER bullshit argument" to cover my tracks. Have you had the opportunity to find the discussion you referenced? What was the topic and what was my argument?

    This post was edited by cstory80 on 7/2/2012 at 11:25 AM

    cstory80

  • cstory80 said...

    My understanding is that there will be no changes in the way that insurance companies distribute ID cards.

    Ok, ok. I'm not shocked that you fail to answer the question.

    As swr's and mine, our insurance card says . . . . . "This card does not guarantee coverage"

    Now that everyone is covered with health care from SOMEONE, do you think people than currently have no insurance, or ID will be able to access heath care without providing an ID at the time of care or soon thereafter ?

    Gr8ytHunter

  • cstory80 said...
    Now, earlier in the thread you mentioned an argument in which you stated that I shared "ANOTHER bullshit argument" to cover my tracks. Have you had the opportunity to find the discussion you referenced? What was the topic and what was my argument?

    OK, is providing an ID to vote an undue burden on people ?

    Is providing an ID to access health care an undue burden on people ?

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    Ok, ok. I'm not shocked that you fail to answer the question.

    As swr's and mine, our insurance card says . . . . . "This card does not guarantee coverage"

    Now that everyone is covered with health care from SOMEONE, do you think people than currently have no insurance, or ID will be able to access heath care without providing an ID at the time of care or soon thereafter ?

    #1 - Everyone is not covered under the ACA.

    #2 - As I have stated, I do not know of any changes wrt insurance companies and their ID policies. Have you read anything that has led you to believe that there will be ID policy changes put in place by insurance companies? I have not.

    cstory80

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    OK, is providing an ID to vote an undue burden on people ?

    Is providing an ID to access health care an undue burden on people ?

    I do believe that the cost of obtaining an ID can be an undue burden on some poor people. That is why I have expressed the opinions that I have on the topic. Were you not familiar with my position? Is that why you thought I was "covering my tracks"........when the reality is that I've never stated anything other than the opinion I've shared in this post?

    I do see that providing an ID to access health care could represent an undue financial burden on some poor people.

    cstory80

  • cstory80 said...

    #1 - Everyone is not covered under the ACA.

    #2 - As I have stated, I do not know of any changes wrt insurance companies and their ID policies. Have you read anything that has led you to believe that there will be ID policy changes put in place by insurance companies? I have not.

    Did you at anytime or do you currently have to show your ID when receiving medical care from your Dr. ? Even when you have an provided your Ins. card ?

    What would prevent you (or anyone) from giving your/their Ins. card to your/their neighbor and having him/her access medical treatment with your card ? And how could the medical profession assure that the person on the card is the person named on the card and not your/someone's neighbor ?

    As I said previously in this thread, I have had the same Dr. and Ins. co. for years. When I went in to have my knee/leg looked at, the person at the desk asked me for my insurance card and my ID.

    Maybe it's just that my Dr's receptionist is a Republican, . . . . . . right ?

    Gr8ytHunter

  • cstory80 said...

    I do believe that the cost of obtaining an ID can be an undue burden on some poor people. That is why I have expressed the opinions that I have on the topic. Were you not familiar with my position? Is that why you thought I was "covering my tracks"........when the reality is that I've never stated anything other than the opinion I've shared in this post?

    I do see that providing an ID to access health care could represent an undue financial burden on some poor people.

    Then why are you not raggin' on the Democrats for basically the same thing ?

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    Did you at anytime or do you currently have to show your ID when receiving medical care from your Dr. ? Even when you have an provided your Ins. card ?

    What would prevent you (or anyone) from giving your/their Ins. card to your/their neighbor and having him/her access medical treatment with your card ? And how could the medical profession assure that the person on the card is the person named on the card and not your/someone's neighbor ?

    As I said previously in this thread, I have had the same Dr. and Ins. co. for years. When I went in to have my knee/leg looked at, the person at the desk asked me for my insurance card and my ID.

    Maybe it's just that my Dr's receptionist is a Republican, . . . . . . right ?

    I don't remember having to show my ID when receiving medical care from a doctor, but that certainly doesn't mean that I haven't had to do so.

    All of your other questions are better suited for insurance companies and health care providers. I don't work in that field, so I don't have any information about what existing safeguards companies have in place to verify that the people presenting insurance ID's are actually the people to whom those ID cards belongs.

    Regarding the receptionist at your Dr's office.....I am not in a position that would allow me to make any statements about her political affiliations and/or leanings.

    cstory80

  • cstory80 said...

    I don't remember having to show my ID when receiving medical care from a doctor, but that certainly doesn't mean that I haven't had to do so.

    All of your other questions are better suited for insurance companies and health care providers. I don't work in that field, so I don't have any information about what existing safeguards companies have in place to verify that the people presenting insurance ID's are actually the people to whom those ID cards belongs.

    Regarding the receptionist at your Dr's office.....I am not in a position that would allow me to make any statements about her political affiliations and/or leanings.

    You know you have to provide ID when going to the see the Dr.

    So, are you saying -

    Providing an ID to vote an undue burden on people ?

    Providing an ID to access health care an undue burden on people ?

    No ID, you do not get to vote -
    No ID, you do not get medical services -

    That would be consistant . . . . . . . . . are you being consistant ?

    Gr8ytHunter

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