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Obama: More Re-Election Fundraisers Than 5 Presidents Combined

  • cstory80 said...

    On item #1, you gave an opinion. You can state it 1,000 times. It will still only be an opinion.

    In your opinion, when Mitt Romney signed RomneyCare into law in Mass, and then later urged President Obama to use RomneyCare as a model for a federal level program......was Mitt Romney intending it to be a step towards socialized medicine? What about Gingrich? When Gingrich stated that a mandate was best for the country wrt health care reform, was he doing so because he saw it as a step toward socialized medicine?

    It is more than an opinion. First of all, the Democrats, Obama included, have indicated they want socialized medicine, and that Obamacare was a stepping stone. I did not invent that. Secondly, neither you, nor ANYONE else has even made an effort to discuss how Obamacare can survive, and if you don't think the creaters of the policy understood that, then they are the most incompetent and idiotic boobs who have ever served in government (they may be, but I don't believe it). So, I believe your contention that my point is nothing more than opinion falls short of support.

    First of all, I believe Romney was in error with encouraging a Romney-care type policy be adopted by the US. My guess is, you have things with most politicians in which you do not agree. I'm not bothering with Gingerich. Now, as for whether I believe Romney was pushing for socialized medicine because he did encourage some form of policy like Romney-Care, I would doubt it, but it is impossible to use what has been discussed as support for such a contention because there are so many other elements of Obamacare that lead to the point, notably the relatively low level of the fine, the restrictions/requirements on fees/premiums/pay-outs, etc. But again, I do not support Romney's promotion of a Romney-care type policy for the US, and am thankful that he does not now support such a thing, and that he has vowed to do everything in his power to kill off Obamacare.

    I do, however, fail to see where this has anything to do with whether I would support anything that Obama might promote/support.

    GauchoGreg

  • TrojanMonkey said...

    I disagree - This is a little dated (5 months) but you get the pointPresident ______________________________________________________________________________________ Barack Obama, who has been characterized as anti-business by his political opponents, has received more in campaign contributions from business executives this year than any Republican presidential candidate.

    Obama raised $5.6 million from executives, or about a third of all their donations through Sept. 30, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Republican candidate Mitt Romney raised $5.2 million, far outpacing his primary challengers.

    That is because there were 4 or 5 Republican candidates at the time. They were sharing the business contributions. Notice this paragraph from your article:

    "While executives have given more money to Obama, they make up a small percentage of his total donor base. Executives account for 6 percent of Obama’s total contributions, and 16 percent of Romney’s, according to the analysis."

    Morethanafan

  • deetj13 said...

    I was watching Bill Maher last night and was stupefied at his hypocrisy.

    He was critical of the SCOTUS and Romney's SuperPAC for getting an anonymous $10M donation...this coming from the guy who just contributed $1M to Obama's SuperPAC.

    Was he pissed off about Citizens United (in which case, why is HE donating $1M if he has a moral objection) or is he just pissed off that someone else made a bigger donation to the other side?

    Douchebag.

    What hypocrisy? I did not hear what he said last night, but from your own post it is not hypocritical. He did not donate the money ANONOMOUSLY,

    Morethanafan

  • GauchoGreg said...

    It is more than an opinion. First of all, the Democrats, Obama included, have indicated they want socialized medicine, and that Obamacare was a stepping stone. I did not invent that. Secondly, neither you, nor ANYONE else has even made an effort to discuss how Obamacare can survive, and if you don't think the creaters of the policy understood that, then they are the most incompetent and idiotic boobs who have ever served in government (they may be, but I don't believe it). So, I believe your contention that my point is nothing more than opinion falls short of support.

    First of all, I believe Romney was in error with encouraging a Romney-care type policy be adopted by the US. My guess is, you have things with most politicians in which you do not agree. I'm not bothering with Gingerich. Now, as for whether I believe Romney was pushing for socialized medicine because he did encourage some form of policy like Romney-Care, I would doubt it, but it is impossible to use what has been discussed as support for such a contention because there are so many other elements of Obamacare that lead to the point, notably the relatively low level of the fine, the restrictions/requirements on fees/premiums/pay-outs, etc. But again, I do not support Romney's promotion of a Romney-care type policy for the US, and am thankful that he does not now support such a thing, and that he has vowed to do everything in his power to kill off Obamacare.

    I do, however, fail to see where this has anything to do with whether I would support anything that Obama might promote/support.

    All Democrats want socialized medicine? If so, why didn't they pass it when they had the numbers?

    On a separate note, you whine when people call it a one payer system rather than socialized medicine. I thought about the semantics recently. It is not socialized medicine. It is socialized insurance. I.e., the medical care would not be owned by the government. The insurance would be. Would you prefer that we call it socialized insurance?

    Morethanafan

  • GauchoGreg said...

    It is more than an opinion. First of all, the Democrats, Obama included, have indicated they want socialized medicine, and that Obamacare was a stepping stone. I did not invent that. Secondly, neither you, nor ANYONE else has even made an effort to discuss how Obamacare can survive, and if you don't think the creaters of the policy understood that, then they are the most incompetent and idiotic boobs who have ever served in government (they may be, but I don't believe it). So, I believe your contention that my point is nothing more than opinion falls short of support.

    First of all, I believe Romney was in error with encouraging a Romney-care type policy be adopted by the US. My guess is, you have things with most politicians in which you do not agree. I'm not bothering with Gingerich. Now, as for whether I believe Romney was pushing for socialized medicine because he did encourage some form of policy like Romney-Care, I would doubt it, but it is impossible to use what has been discussed as support for such a contention because there are so many other elements of Obamacare that lead to the point, notably the relatively low level of the fine, the restrictions/requirements on fees/premiums/pay-outs, etc. But again, I do not support Romney's promotion of a Romney-care type policy for the US, and am thankful that he does not now support such a thing, and that he has vowed to do everything in his power to kill off Obamacare.

    I do, however, fail to see where this has anything to do with whether I would support anything that Obama might promote/support.

    No. It is still only an opinion that you are attempting to pass off as fact.

    Regarding all of the rest of that up there; if you are taking the position that Romney and Obama pushed for the reforms that they did, but for different reasons, I can't come anywhere close to even begin to pretend that I agree with you.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by cstory80 on 4/30/2012 at 1:23 PM

    cstory80

  • Morethanafan said...

    All Democrats want socialized medicine? If so, why didn't they pass it when they had the numbers?

    On a separate note, you whine when people call it a one payer system rather than socialized medicine. I thought about the semantics recently. It is not socialized medicine. It is socialized insurance. I.e., the medical care would not be owned by the government. The insurance would be. Would you prefer that we call it socialized insurance?

    When did I say ALL Dems want socialized medicine? They did not have universal support within the party, but more importantly, they did not have anywhere near enough support in America for socialized medicine or single-payor.

    As for that MASSIVE difference between socialized medicine and single-payor, you can be deluded in to thinking it is significantly different, but fact of the matter, there will be universal pricing, there will be government controlled services, there will be limitations on doctors' abilities to work out of the system, etc. It will be about us giving our money to the government, who then re-allocates it back to us with a massive bevy of restrictions placed on the providers and recipients. Tom-A-to vs Tom-AH-to.

    GauchoGreg

  • Morethanafan said...

    What hypocrisy? I did not hear what he said last night, but from your own post it is not hypocritical. He did not donate the money ANONOMOUSLY,

    There are plenty of good reasons to give to Romney anonymously...

    Strassel: The President Has a List - WSJ.com

    In The Wall Street Journal, Potomac Watch columnist Kimberley Strassel notes Barack Obama's attempts to intimidate contributors to Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.

    online.wsj.com

    Low5Point

  • Morethanafan said...

    All Democrats want socialized medicine? If so, why didn't they pass it when they had the numbers?

    On a separate note, you whine when people call it a one payer system rather than socialized medicine. I thought about the semantics recently. It is not socialized medicine. It is socialized insurance. I.e., the medical care would not be owned by the government. The insurance would be. Would you prefer that we call it socialized insurance?

    Isn't it ironic that the main issue in our healthcare system is health insurers and for some reason members of our government feel that the solution is to have MORE insurance. Wonder why the insurance companies support Obamacare??? Perhaps because then the government would be their clients. The insurers (AKA the problem) would have MORE control over the same healthcare system. It's a pattern with this administration. Give more control of our government and economy to big business. It's no coincidence that so many of our elected or appointed officials are former executives of these same businesses.

    zitorocks

  • cstory80 said...

    No. It is still only an opinion that you are attempting to pass off as fact.

    Regarding all of the rest of that up there; if you are taking the position that Romney and Obama pushed for the reforms that they did, but for different reasons, I can't come anywhere close to even begin to pretend that I agree with you.

    I'm done with the first point, as if you can't see the factual support for my point, INCLUDING ACTUAL INTERVIEWS with Obama and other crafters of Obamacare, I don't know what to tell you.

    On the second point, I say Romney supported a policy on a State basis (I don't like it, but I didn't run for Governor of Massachusetts, either), then was wrong to encourage it on a National basis. He now is vowing, regardless of his prior position, to take Obamacare down. I support that. Where am I being inconsistent?

    GauchoGreg

  • Morethanafan said...

    What hypocrisy? I did not hear what he said last night, but from your own post it is not hypocritical. He did not donate the money ANONOMOUSLY,

    His issue was with the impact of the SCOTUS and Citizens United.

    But glad to see you are still looking for wasy to excuse the actions of the left, while calling ALL conservatives names.

    Keep up the uninformed opinions.

    This post was edited by deetj13 on 4/30/2012 at 1:37 PM

    deetj13

  • GauchoGreg said...

    On the second point, I say Romney supported a policy on a State basis (I don't like it, but I didn't run for Governor of Massachusetts, either), then was wrong to encourage it on a National basis. He now is vowing, regardless of his prior position, to take Obamacare down. I support that. Where am I being inconsistent?

    But somehow Chris doesn't see himself being inconsistent by continuing to vote for a guy that:

    Said raising the debt limit was unpatriotic,
    Condemned the previous administration for keeping Gitmo open
    Claimed the president has no authority to authorize a military strike unless it is self-defense then did it in Lybia
    Claimed it was foolish to drop third site missile defense yet did so within 6 months
    Called Mubarak a "stalwart" ally a year before bombing him
    Who ran on a platform that argued AGAINST the individual mandate
    Told John Edwards to shut down his SuperPacs or tell them not to take money from questionable donors (Maher?)
    Of course he also PROMISED in 2004 not to run for the Presidency in 2008
    Promised not to kill NASA
    Like other Dems, blamed Bush for high gas prices

    Pot meet kettle

    Low5Point

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