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THIS

I find it amusing when young kids want it "relevant" but the market that spends the bucks on the products being pitched don't like the stuff that is relevant to the kids.

Like you implied, this is about going after where the biggest pocketbook is.

Tina Turner may not have made as much money as Madonna....but I would say she has more talent and she marketed herself well to step out of the box she was placed in musically and culturally. She looks damn good for her age too.

Maybe you wish to call me a hater, but I can be just as passionate in my respect for a lady who did it her way, with talent and showmanship.

The amount of negativity that you are showing on this thread does not seem to be in proportion to what we saw last night. Seriously.........it wasn't that bad of a performance. I think your comments are more in line with you hating Madonna, rather than being about the show last night.

Can we agree that " Whats love got to do with it/.Private Dancer " was pretty lame ???!?!?!

OK I know it was her comback and she was over Ike Turner beatin up on her every day...but that crap sucked compared to hermusic in the 60's and 70's I think she just won awards in the 80's more for surviving Ike Turners pimp hand instead of her music...that's just how I see it .

A good "pimp hand" will indeed keep a woman singin with that proper emotion and soulful bluesy PAIN and the real FUNK ...not that slicked out 80's pop crap...IKE KNEW THAT so he really deserves alot of credit...it may be wrong but its tHE TRUTH !!!!

Yes yes ..its TRUE !!!

Look, I don't go to the OT to spill my guts on my political views, religion, or feel the need for ANY of you to approve my views on ANYTHING. I'm here strictly for football information, once in a great while I'll express a view not football related in the least - not counting my responses to trolls that is.

I'm not arrogant enough to think my opinion is the only one...but, evidently some of you do think you're the only ones that can feel something is "not that bad"...I simply expressed my opinion, didn't ask for any of you to change your minds..frankly, who really cares?

Never been accused of being insipid, and none of you are close enough to me that I would consider/or wish for this to be a debate. I've said what I felt, and frankly, this subject isn't worth another thought to me. Carry on!

So you're saying you would rather have Toby Keith, Kenney Chesney, Carrie Underwood or Taylor Swift?

Not gonna bother reading thru this thread, all I know is that shit SUCKED!!!

Once she stopped collaborating with Patrick Leonard, her tunes went downhill. Pat is a great songwriter - from "True Blue" through "Ray of Light", if it was a it, Pat probably wrote it.

And you are cracking me up.

Streisand and Beyonce?

They have exactly WHAT in common?

Barbara Streisand is probably, along with Aretha Franklin, the greatest female pop singer of the last 50 years. Just on a technical level, it is her and Aretha and everyone else is just after the crumbs

Ask ANY singer, and they will tell you the same thing

Beyonce? Seriously? What an incredible cuplet. Streisand and Beyonce.

Pretty much says all I need to know about your musical taste and knowledge

And you say Madonna can't be fit into a corporate structured format?

She is probably the MOST Corporate pop star of the last 40 years.She is completely a corporate creation

If you look back and see what I said about her, it really wasn't that bad. I said it was visually stunning, and said her age was of no relevance to me, and that it was way better than that crap last year

I was in the music business for years, and still know many people in the music business.

I have never met a musician in the last 30 years who had a high opinion of her, and that includes people who have played with her.

They all say she is

Incredibly smart.

Incredibly ambitious

Incredibly creative as far as re-inventing herself

INCREDIBLY cold blooded

And INCREDIBLY Mediocre in the talent department.

She is a TOTALLY CORPORATE creation

And, she rips people off creatively, BIG TIME

Well don't leave us hanging....

No kidding, Madonna never "rocked" anything 'cept some Hollywood and athlete

Hey TahoeTrojan ..is your avatar photo taken at Heavenly?
Just a guess there, I need to get up to your neck of the woods our winter/snow is terrible in So Cal this season..nice grab/air by the way.

In the early 80's the drummer I mostly played with was a guy named Larry Dent. Incredible drummer that helped me get through some times when I was just learning to play. Great drummer, great person and great friend.

Anyway, he was married to a fantastic singer named Christine Dent. Great voice, beautiful girl. Spunky little Blond from Boston. She sang backup on an album I produced.

She got a production deal with a guy named Brian Eliot, and then got signed to the same Label as Madonna. I think it was Warners. They recorded an album, of which Papa Don't Preach was going to be the debut single. Some people at the record company were listening to it one day and Madonna was there.

"Who's song is that?"

Well, it is a song by a new artist we are getting ready to release named Christine Dent.

" I want it".

But her album is done, we are just waiting on the cover art

"Maybe you didn't hear me clearly enough, I WANT that song".

So Madonna got the song, wrote an extra line or two so she would get writers credit and Christine Dent got sent packing. No album, no record deal, nothing.

Now she didn't write the song, and Brian Eliot had the LEGAL right to do whatever he wanted with the song.

But that is very typical of Madonna's ruthlessness. the people at the record company DESPISED her, but she was making them so much money, they just caved in.

But the thing that REALLY made me sick about the whole thing was how Madonna completely ripped Christine's Vocal off when she recorded her version. I have heard both, and it was STUNNING how much Madonna stole from Christine. Totally mimicked her vocal, word for word.

Christine was prettier, AND more talented than Madonna ever thought of being, and she basically never had a real career after that. She lost a baby around the same time and her life just wasn't very good after that, including a divorce.

i will always believe that she would have had a solid career, maybe not on the level of Madonna, but she was definitely good enough to have been on the level of a Pat Benetar or Cheryl Crowe.

So we will never know if her releasing that song as a debut single with Warner promoting it would have been a hit, but it was a great song before Madonna ever heard it.