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Laker Fix: You Are Mitch Kupchak

  • randy88moss said...

    Anderson will be a free agent this summer, so a sign and trade will obviously need to be done for my scenario to work. After the season he had last year, he's worth at least $13mill/per.

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  • brdcstr1 said...

    Not sure how the new CBA works, but doesn't the luxury tax kick in right when you exceed the salary cap?

    Not that I'm doubting you, but what is the hard cap and when does the luxury tax kick in? Seems that one would kick in when the other is exceeded.

    This numbers are going to be slightly off, but the salary cap is around $58M and the luxury tax starts at $70M. Right now an owner pays $1 into a pool for every dollar over the tax. Starting in 2013-1014 an owner will pay $1.5 for every dollar in the tax for the first $5M over, $1.75 for $5-10M over and it will continue to go up at $5M increments.

    After the Lakers pick up Bynum's option, they will be at $80M before resigning Sessions and Jordan Hill. To sign any FA for more than the mini-mid ($2.5M) without a S&T, the Lakers need to get around $54M. Amnestying Pau only saves the owner money, it doesn't get The Lakers close to being below the salary cap.

    The only way for the lakers to get below would be to amnesty Kobe. They could then not pick up Bynums option, keep him or trade him into salary cap space for a pick and do the same thing with Pau.

    TrojanMindSC

  • BigSmoothLFC said...

    Alright moving forward. Their is a ton of free agents that can improve this team. Goran Dragic, Nick Young, CJ Miles, Nash, Kris Humphries etc. Who do you guys want?

    ray allen, antawn jamison, jason terry, goran dragic, dahntay jones, nick young, carl landry, steve nash, TIM DUNCAN, jerryd bayless.

    any of those would be nice along with re-signing sessions and jordan hill

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  • brdcstr1 said...

    Avery Bradley was chosen with the 19th pick in the first round. Even if the Lakers didn't trade their first round draft choice, he wouldn't have been available when they picked.

    I'm still looking to see who the Lakers passed on that was available when they would have chosen any particular year they traded their first round pick away.

    The first-round choice they traded to New Jersey when they dumped Sasha was used to pick up JuJuan Johnson, who was immediately shipped off to Boston to warm their bench.

    Just about every first round choice they have traded since 2007 have resulted in a roster improvement for the Lakers.

    Memphis used their first-round draft choices gotten from the Lakers to pick up in 2008 (Donté Greene) and 2010 (Greivis Vasquez) in exchange for Pau and a second round draft choice in 2010 (Devin Ebanks).

    Who got the better of that deal?


    What about in 2009 and 2011 when the Lakers traded the picks? The Lakers could have gotten besides DeJuan Blair, Danny Green, and Chase Budinger. In 2011 the Lakers could have gotten MarShon Brooks since New Jersey who had the Lakers pick got from Boston for JaJuan Johnson. The Lakers never values their first round picks and that hurt them. The Lakers never develop players and that is bad,

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  • Dstyle said...

    Pacers only have Paul George. Beasley is on the Wolves and is a FA. Odom wants to play on one of the LA teams, So what he says can happen possibly.


    I think the Lakers do not want Lamar Odom. Mike Brown needs to find a system that uses his player better.

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  • If we ever signed Duncan I would boycott until he retired.

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  • I think LO ends up back on the Lakers cheap

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  • USCTraveler80 said...

    I think the Lakers do not want Lamar Odom. Mike Brown needs to find a system that uses his player better.

    What System does Mike Brown currently run?

    Charles Barkley and the other guys on the set were clowning him after their last loss for not even having a system.

    But you're right. He needs to first decide on a system, and then find players.

    brdcstr1

  • USCTraveler80 said...

    What about in 2009 and 2011 when the Lakers traded the picks? The Lakers could have gotten besides DeJuan Blair, Danny Green, and Chase Budinger. In 2011 the Lakers could have gotten MarShon Brooks since New Jersey who had the Lakers pick got from Boston for JaJuan Johnson. The Lakers never values their first round picks and that hurt them. The Lakers never develop players and that is bad,

    Remind me again of who the Lakers Received when they traded the 2009 pick.

    If I recall, the 2011 pick was part of the salary dump since they weren't going to pony up the money to re-sign Sasha... But I understand your point about them being too flippant about the value of having the picks.

    The new CBA changed things, so they're going to have to either adapt or remain mired in mediocrity.

    brdcstr1

  • The Lakers will only have a $3M exception to spend and then will have to sign everyone else to veteran minimum. They might be able to work out a S&T for a FA into the trade exception created by LO, but that would mean a team doesn't want to resign that player and it likely happy to get back anything of value for them (a 2nd round pick). Unfortunately, the Lakers traded away one of their few assets (Dallas 1st round pick) to save themselves another million, making it even harder to use the trade exception.

    Lakers #1 target should be Nick Young with the full mini-mid - $3M per year for 3 years.

    TrojanMindSC

  • brdcstr1 said...

    A better question to ask in terms of who the Lakers have drafted that have made any kind of a difference since Bynum would be to ask who have the Lakers passed on in their draft position that another team scooped up after they passed on them?

    Kupchak did draft Mark Gasol with a lower pick, though... And he's turning out to be a pretty good center.

    The Spurs have drafted wisely going the Euro route, but other than them, there aren't many teams that pick up quality selections at the end of the first or second rounds.

    Lakers have been very short sighted with selling their picks or using them as payment for another team take a contract. It likely has cost them more in end as they had to overpay to keep their free-agents because being over the salary cap, they had to resign them since they owned their bird rights and wouldn't have been able to replace them on the open market unless they overpaid to get another player. This is the reason why the Lakers had to pay Sasha $5M per year or give Steve Blake 4yrs/ 16M.

    The Lakers should have been active in the draft, looking to trade up a couple of spots to the late teens (18,19) or early 20's and targeted players. Teams were selling those picks for cash or a swapping of 1st and a late 2nd.

    The Lakers window would be open much longer if they went after Faried (22nd), Brooks (25) or even Reggie Jackson (24) who will be very good last year.

    Or Bledsoe (#18), Bradley (#19), Pondexter (#26) or even Vasquez (#28) in 2010.

    Maybe instead of selling the 1st round pick in 2009 for cash, they could have looked to move up and got Holiday (#17), Lawson (#18), Teague (19), Collison (#21) or even Taj (#26).

    2008 had Hibbert, McGee, Ryan Anderson, Ibaka, Courtney Lee, Nicolas Batun, George Hill all go after #17.

    There are lots of very good players drafted in the late teens to the end of the 1st round that are very valuable to contending teams. Unfortunately for Laker fans, we now have Jim Buss running the show with his bartender scout.

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  • First thing you do is try to find a sucker to take on Kobe Bryant's massive contract.

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  • Gangogi said...

    First thing you do is try to find a sucker to take on Kobe Bryant's massive contract.

    New Jersey for Williams, Crash and fillers.

    This post was edited by Dstyle on 5/23/2012 at 9:35 AM

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  • Gangogi said...

    First thing you do is try to find a sucker to take on Kobe Bryant's massive contract.

    That is the entire crux of the problem here. His bloated 29 million a year is crushing the Lakers payroll and killing anything they can do to improve this team.

    It's a sad fact as an aging super star continues to draw top dollar it prevents the team from improving the players around him. This is been a real problem for several years now and will only get worse the next two years.

    It's a new ball game now in the NBA and the Lakers simply can't do again what they once were able to do. San Antonio seems to be a model for tweaking the system as well as it can be played. Then again, you would need some front office smarts that are simply lacking at LA central.

    Personally, blow up the team and start from fresh. Otherwise it's going to be a long long declining quality of Laker ball as the years go by. It's going to take judicious free agent acquisitions as well as getting very lucky in the draft. Both of those lately have been non existent.

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  • Tanked1 said...

    That is the entire crux of the problem here. His bloated 29 million a year is crushing the Lakers payroll and killing anything they can do to improve this team.

    It's a sad fact as an aging super star continues to draw top dollar it prevents the team from improving the players around him. This is been a real problem for several years now and will only get worse the next two years.

    It's a new ball game now in the NBA and the Lakers simply can't do again what they once were able to do. San Antonio seems to be a model for tweaking the system as well as it can be played. Then again, you would need some front office smarts that are simply lacking at LA central.

    Personally, blow up the team and start from fresh. Otherwise it's going to be a long long declining quality of Laker ball as the years go by. It's going to take judicious free agent acquisitions as well as getting very lucky in the draft. Both of those lately have been non existent.

    Agreed, the Lakers are almost facing their own type of sanctions.

    Kobe, Pau and Drew financially, limits/prevents the roster from being dramatically improved. One will go for sure, and we all know it's not Mamba.

    By proxy, getting younger lowers the cap since younger players make less money, but unless Mitch can get some very high draft picks for Pau (has lost value) and/or Bynum, the Lakers will have to do the 'Plug and Play' which is not what they need, and even with dumping one of the bigs, the Laker salary position probably won't lure many FAs to LA.

    There is way more opportunity to retool this roster moving Bynum, but I just can't see Jim Buss shipping out his one and only 'find' during his tenure. Pau is a fish out of water in Mike Brown's offense, and it also requires an elite point guard, but the advantage the Lakers have had for the last 3-4 years, is their unusual length that has posed so many problems for the league.

    There is no easy or quick fix, and it'll be very interesting to see which free agents are willing to take less, for a chance at a title, especially after one of the bigs is moved.

    The Lakers historically, have always found a way to delete/add and bring stars in, but this roster and front office management doesn't lend to that confidence.

    This post was edited by Trojan Conquest on 5/23/2012 at 12:10 PM

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  • They have to be loyal to Kobe, but they shouldn't if they can get someone of Deron Williams capability, along with an extra player that's good from a New Jersey. Then they could do the Rockets Pau Gasol trade for Scola, Martin, and the pg, and they're pretty set.

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  • Dstyle said...

    They have to be loyal to Kobe, but they shouldn't if they can get someone of Deron Williams capability, along with an extra player that's good from a New Jersey. Then they could do the Rockets Pau Gasol trade for Scola, Martin, and the pg, and they're pretty set.

    Speaking of DWill.....here's a video between Stephen A and Skip Bayless.....

    Stephen A - "move Bynum"
    Bayless - "keep Bynum"

    The package deals they throw around are interesting to say the least.

    The both also agree that Mike Brown, even though he improved the defense, is not the coach for this team (Magic Johnson saying he must go, too, anyone?)

    They think Larry Brown would be a tremendous fit.

    This post was edited by Trojan Conquest on 5/23/2012 at 12:47 PM

    Who Needs To Go For The Lakers? - ESPN Video - ESPN

    ESPN Video: Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless debate who the Lakers should get rid of.

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  • Dstyle said...

    They have to be loyal to Kobe, but they shouldn't if they can get someone of Deron Williams capability, along with an extra player that's good from a New Jersey. Then they could do the Rockets Pau Gasol trade for Scola, Martin, and the pg, and they're pretty set.


    Getting Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, and a point guard from the Houston Rockets does not help the Lakers main issues. The Lakers need to get younger and athletic. Luis Scola is 32 and Kevin Martin is 29. Scola does not rebound and Martin is always injured. If the Lakers got Kyle Lowry he shots very bad for a point guard with a field goal percentage of 40% and Goran Dragic is an okay three point shooter.

    Deron Williams has issues such as a bad field goal percentage.

    Instead of forcing a trade that would give the Lakers some some bad contracts, I would rather the Lakers keep Kobe, Pau, and Bynum and try to get some free agents to sign for the minimum like Steve Nash, Jason Terry,Chauncey Billups, Michael Redd, Reggie Evans, Nate Robinson, Kenyon Martin, and Tracy McGrady. If the Lakers can get two or three of these guys it improves the team. The Lakers need some three point shooting and some of these players can help. Only if the Lakers can get Kenyon Martin and another power forward would I trade Pau Gasol for Luis Scola. Scola cannot rebound and Gasol can rebound. I think Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum get tired since they play alot and the Lakers need to get some back up players to help them. I would keep Matt Barnes and try to trade Steve Blake. Blake has only two years left and some team would take him. I would rather the Lakers keep this same team for two years and then when Kobe and Pau contract finish they will have alot of salary cap room to build the team.

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  • I think Ray Allen would be a great FA pickup.

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  • brdcstr1 said...

    I believe you'll be eating your words when he get's with a coach who utilizes his talents.

    My god, he avg 18.8, 10.s reb and 3.3 assist just last season in a system that was far better suited to his talents.

    That leaves you stuck with either believing that his skills have so badly eroded in less than one year, or the new system he was placed in wasn't a good fit for him.

    I'm going with the latter, but time will tell.

    You could be right -- but he was a stiff in the playoffs last year too, so it was not just one year of poor production.

    It was 2 playoff seasons of disappearing.

    I think we can get a decent PG for him and that is more important than betting on the chance that Pau can turn it around.

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  • USCTraveler80 said...

    Getting Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, and a point guard from the Houston Rockets does not help the Lakers main issues. The Lakers need to get younger and athletic. Luis Scola is 32 and Kevin Martin is 29. Scola does not rebound and Martin is always injured. If the Lakers got Kyle Lowry he shots very bad for a point guard with a field goal percentage of 40% and Goran Dragic is an okay three point shooter.

    Deron Williams has issues such as a bad field goal percentage.

    Instead of forcing a trade that would give the Lakers some some bad contracts, I would rather the Lakers keep Kobe, Pau, and Bynum and try to get some free agents to sign for the minimum like Steve Nash, Jason Terry,Chauncey Billups, Michael Redd, Reggie Evans, Nate Robinson, Kenyon Martin, and Tracy McGrady. If the Lakers can get two or three of these guys it improves the team. The Lakers need some three point shooting and some of these players can help. Only if the Lakers can get Kenyon Martin and another power forward would I trade Pau Gasol for Luis Scola. Scola cannot rebound and Gasol can rebound. I think Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum get tired since they play alot and the Lakers need to get some back up players to help them. I would keep Matt Barnes and try to trade Steve Blake. Blake has only two years left and some team would take him. I would rather the Lakers keep this same team for two years and then when Kobe and Pau contract finish they will have alot of salary cap room to build the team.

    I doubt any of those guys are signing for the minimum, Williams is most likely headed to Dallas as a FA. Nash is also a free agent and Miami can offer him far more money.

    I always wondered how Kobe would be playing with a PG who was the primary ball-handler.

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  • westcoastfball said...

    I doubt any of those guys are signing for the minimum, Williams is most likely headed to Dallas as a FA. Nash is also a free agent and Miami can offer him far more money.

    I always wondered how Kobe would be playing with a PG who was the primary ball-handler.

    The exact same as he is now. Kobe does not alter his game to take his teammates into account - it's only their job to adapt their game to his, never the other way around.

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  • wake6830 said...

    The exact same as he is now. Kobe does not alter his game to take his teammates into account - it's only their job to adapt their game to his, never the other way around.

    Sad but probably true.

    westcoastfball

  • USCTraveler80 said...

    Getting Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, and a point guard from the Houston Rockets does not help the Lakers main issues. The Lakers need to get younger and athletic. Luis Scola is 32 and Kevin Martin is 29. Scola does not rebound and Martin is always injured. If the Lakers got Kyle Lowry he shots very bad for a point guard with a field goal percentage of 40% and Goran Dragic is an okay three point shooter.

    Deron Williams has issues such as a bad field goal percentage.

    Instead of forcing a trade that would give the Lakers some some bad contracts, I would rather the Lakers keep Kobe, Pau, and Bynum and try to get some free agents to sign for the minimum like Steve Nash, Jason Terry,Chauncey Billups, Michael Redd, Reggie Evans, Nate Robinson, Kenyon Martin, and Tracy McGrady. If the Lakers can get two or three of these guys it improves the team. The Lakers need some three point shooting and some of these players can help. Only if the Lakers can get Kenyon Martin and another power forward would I trade Pau Gasol for Luis Scola. Scola cannot rebound and Gasol can rebound. I think Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum get tired since they play alot and the Lakers need to get some back up players to help them. I would keep Matt Barnes and try to trade Steve Blake. Blake has only two years left and some team would take him. I would rather the Lakers keep this same team for two years and then when Kobe and Pau contract finish they will have alot of salary cap room to build the team.

    Funny how things work when the roles r reversed huh?? U say Scola, Martin & either Dragic or Lowry won't help due to their age, injuries & poor shooting yet sending them to NO was a better trade regarding CP?? lol

    By the way take those 3 Clippers names off ur list cuz it ain't happening!

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  • Da Great Goon! said...

    Funny how things work when the roles r reversed huh?? U say Scola, Martin & either Dragic or Lowry won't help due to their age, injuries & poor shooting yet sending them to NO was a better trade regarding CP?? lol

    By the way take those 3 Clippers names off ur list cuz it ain't happening!


    It is a different situation for the Lakers and Hornets, the Lakers have a goal to win a championship while the Hornets goal was to get the best combination of players to replace Chris Paul. Since David West was leaving getting Luis Scola filled the power forward position. Also, the contract of Kevin Martin has one year left and Goran Dragic and Lamar Odom would have been free agents this year. The New Orleans Hornets would get salary cap room. The deal allowed them to be competitive while rebuilding. The Clipper deal allowed them just to rebuild. The Hornets have young players on the team. The Lakers would get older with the trade and it would hurt them since Luis Scola is not able to replace Pau Gasol.

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