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If Zimmerman Is Found Not Guilty

  • cstory80 said...

    I have absolutely no idea what memo you are talking about, but if it is something that was circulated to other posters on this site, I would also like to take a look at this memo.

    Regarding Michigander's posts on this thread; everything you mention in the post I have quoted above came after your initial post to him. If you don't believe that what I will again quote below is not somehow patronizing, we must think of what it means to be patronizing in very different terms. Here you go:

    "Well at least we know your unbiased opinion. I guess you have all of the facts. Perhaps you should volunteer for jury duty son." - Troybill

    You read into it how you want. I cannot help you there. As to the memo thing I should have put in the sarcasm emoticon.

    Troybill

  • I would really like to know why Michigander espouses so strongly against profiling, when it is something he himself does on a regular basis, just like everyone else.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • Troybill said...

    You read into it how you want. I cannot help you there.

    That is exactly what I will do. Thank you for the advice.

    cstory80

  • cstory80 said...

    That is exactly what I will do. Thank you for the advice.

    okee dokee!

    Troybill

  • MJRuffalo said...

    I would really like to know why Michigander espouses so strongly against profiling, when it is something he himself does on a regular basis, just like everyone else.

    Because I refuse to be animal enough to act on my preconceived notions of people I don't know. My life has benefited greatly from my restraint, and if I may be so immodest, I'm sure others' have as well.

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    I will not be working with you, but against you. - USC Outsider

    USCMichigander

  • USCMichigander said...

    Because I refuse to be animal enough to act on my preconceived notions of people I don't know. My life has benefited greatly from my restraint, and if I may be so immodest, I'm sure others' have as well.

    I don't believe you.

    We all profile, and act on it in at least some way.

    If I pull out on the road, and see that I am driving behind some old asian lady, I am going to change lanes. She may be the greatest driver on the road, but experience has taught me that is not likely.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • USCMichigander said...

    And yet you ignored the pattern that Zimmerman's calls about suspicious blacks had all come within the past year. This with no calls about white people within that year ("children playing in the street", dispute with what seemed to be a business partner do not count). The report of him handing out flyers comes from a ZImmerman family member, and it may or may not be true. I'm not alleging Zimmerman is a member of the Klan, I'm saying Zimmerman likely viewed a black stranger as far more likely to commit crime than a white stranger. And based on the shooting of Trayvon it seems that he was unable to think beyond his profiling ways.

    "This with no calls about white people within that year ("children playing in the street", dispute with what seemed to be a business partner do not count)."

    LOL....were they not white enough?

    Did your selective amnesia suddenly kick in, causing you to forget that within that last year on April 22, 2011, he also called out of concern to report a young black child walking unattended near a busy intersection?

    So what is he, a black hating racist or a hypervigilant loser? Is this behavior indicative of a racist in your mind...or did this recessive racist gene suddenly kick into overdrive months later to better fit your narrative?

    BTW, your claim that there were no calls about white people within that last year is purely speculative, since some of his calls to report suspicious activity didn't mention any race of the subjects in question.

    This post was edited by brdcstr1 on 4/12/2012 at 8:11 PM

    brdcstr1

  • MJRuffalo said...

    I don't believe you.

    We all profile, and act on it in at least some way.

    If I pull out on the road, and see that I am driving behind some old asian lady, I am going to change lanes. She may be the greatest driver on the road, but experience has taught me that is not likely.

    LMAO.

    scsuperfan15203

  • USCMichigander said...

    Because I refuse to be animal enough to act on my preconceived notions of people I don't know. My life has benefited greatly from my restraint, and if I may be so immodest, I'm sure others' have as well.

    "There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."

    The Reverend Jesse Jackson, as quoted in US News, March 10, 1996

    It appears you need to have a little chat to share the secrets to your purity of heart and mind with that racial profiling animal Jesse Jackson.

    brdcstr1

  • MJRuffalo said...

    We all profile, and act on it in at least some way.

    I agree. We all profile. It's human nature. It's instinctual. It's what we do.

    On the other hand, we can't rely soley on the prejudices that come about as a result of our profiling. We can't allow those prejudices to be the largest factor when determining what actions to take in any situation.

    This post was edited by cstory80 on 4/12/2012 at 8:43 PM

    cstory80

  • USCMichigander said...

    NBC's doctoring of the tape was dishonest and unnecessary. Listen to the 911 call and please tell me whether or not that call gets made on a white guy in a business suit.

    Nm

    This post was edited by TrojanMonkey on 4/12/2012 at 8:50 PM

    The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager

    TrojanMonkey

  • cstory80 said...

    I agree. We all profile. It's human nature. It's instinctual. It's what we do.

    On the other hand, we can't rely soley on the prejudices that come about as a result of our profiling. We can't allow those prejudices to be the largest factor when determining what actions to take in any situation.

    Yes and No. We certainly agree that pre-judgments should not be the sole factor in determining our actions, our first instincts are often very valuable, and it would be pointless to not listen to what is basically our intuition.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    Yes and No. We certainly agree that pre-judgments should not be the sole factor in determining our actions, our first instincts are often very valuable, and it would be pointless to not listen to what is basically our intuition.

    Those first instincts can often be very valuable, but they can also cause us a lot of trouble. That is why we all look for additional information after prejudging any person or situation.

    cstory80

  • cstory80 said...

    Those first instincts can often be very valuable, but they can also cause us a lot of trouble. That is why we all look for additional information after prejudging any person or situation.

    Of course.

    I am just making a point to the little brains who take a word like "profiling", which has become politically charged, that it is not some evil thing that we should pretend only bad people do.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • I wont feel much until laws are changed. what upsets me is the fact that people are having no problem when an armed man goes against 911 dispatch's requests. Chases down a innocent unarmed minor and kills him. GZ felt threatened? What about the unarmed minor? Kind of like the saying " bringing a knife to a gun fight" but the kid did not even have that.

    One last thing I have seen a friend get arrested for not staying in a car when the police told him to. Usually that alone is reason enough for an arrest.

    trojan magnum

  • trojan magnum said...

    what upsets me is the fact that people are having no problem when an armed man goes against 911 dispatch's requests.

    Not saying you are incorrect and not commenting only about this case.

    The 911 dispatcher cannot see what is going on, does not have ALL the facts and will most likely tell the caller to back off in almost every situation. Even if getting involved was later determined to be the correct thing to do.

    I will say in Florida, as I understand the law, it is never lawful to used deadly force to 'defend' property, only yourself (and some other exceptions pertaining to others).

    Gr8ytHunter

  • I will say in Florida, as I understand the law, it is never lawful to used deadly force to 'defend' property, only yourself (and some other exceptions pertaining to others).

    i do not know the laws in Florida and I am not a resident of Florida so I really have no dog in this. But common sense tells me when a person initiates contact then they are the aggressor. You add a gun in the mix and then who really felt threatened? The kid had every right to defend himself against some stranger following him. Every parent would tell their kid to get away anyway you could from a stranger that is following them. Citizen watch is exactly that. They watch and inform the proper authorities. But then again i do not know the laws in Florida and that may be how it works there.

    To me what appears to have happened GZ started something he could not finish. So he used his gun. "All man is not created equal that is why gun powder was invented" was a famous quote man dad preached.

    This post was edited by trojan magnum on 4/14/2012 at 2:04 AM

    trojan magnum

  • trojan magnum said...

    I will say in Florida, as I understand the law, it is never lawful to used deadly force to 'defend' property, only yourself (and some other exceptions pertaining to others).

    i do not know the laws in Florida and I am not a resident of Florida so I really have no dog in this. But common sense tells me when a person initiates contact then they are the aggressor. You add a gun in the mix and then who really felt threatened? The kid had every right to defend himself against some stranger following him. Every parent would tell their kid to get away anyway you could from a stranger that is following them. Citizen watch is exactly that. They watch and inform the proper authorities. But then again i do not know the laws in Florida and that may be how it works there.

    To me what appears to have happened GZ started something he could not finish. So he used his gun. "All man is not created equal that is why gun powder was invented" was a famous quote man dad preached.

    Common sense tells me you have jumped to a lot of conclusions.

    What evidence can you provide that Zimmerman initiated contact?

    Can you cite a law that makes it illegal for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon?

    If Zimmerman was merely following him, can it be said that he started something?

    If Trayvon threw the first punch, does Zimmerman have a right under Florida law to defend himself with a gun?

    brdcstr1

  • brdcstr1 said...

    Common sense tells me you have jumped to a lot of conclusions.

    What evidence can you provide that Zimmerman initiated contact?

    Can you cite a law that makes it illegal for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon?

    If Zimmerman was merely following him, can it be said that he started something?

    If Trayvon threw the first punch, does Zimmerman have a right under Florida law to defend himself with a gun?

    To answer your 4th question I would say yes.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    To answer your 4th question I would say yes.

    I agree.

    The crazy irony here is that Trayvon was put in the type of situation that people usually cite when arguing that people should be able to carry guns at just about any time.....at just about any place. The guy was walking home from the store at night and was followed.

    cstory80