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Tea Party vs OWS and black people

  • http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2011/12/22/creators_oped/page/full/

    "This formula does not apply to the Occupy Wall Street movement, which is as white as an Idaho picket fence. A Washington Post opinion piece cites a survey that found "African Americans, who are 12.6 percent of the U.S. population, make up only 1.6 percent of Occupy Wall Street." And blacks are 25 percent of New York City's population. Occupy Wall Street was a home game for them. By contrast, 6 percent of tea party supporters, according to an April 2010 Gallup poll, are black. That's almost four times the number of blacks who make up Occupy Wall Street."

    The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager

  • TrojanMonkey said... (original post)

    http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2011/12/22/creators_oped/page/full/

    "This formula does not apply to the Occupy Wall Street movement, which is as white as an Idaho picket fence. A Washington Post opinion piece cites a survey that found "African Americans, who are 12.6 percent of the U.S. population, make up only 1.6 percent of Occupy Wall Street." And blacks are 25 percent of New York City's population. Occupy Wall Street was a home game for them. By contrast, 6 percent of tea party supporters, according to an April 2010 Gallup poll, are black. That's almost four times the number of blacks who make up Occupy Wall Street."

    Doesn't matter - the GOP is racist.

    Disagree with Obama's economic policies? Racist!

    Want people to have to actually prove who they are before they vote - you know, like when you do the important things in life: Use a credit card or get into a 21 and over club or board an airplane or check into a hotel room. Racist!

    Disagree with any poorly contrived racially based social program (Affirmative Action, for instance)? Racist!

    White Male? Racist!

    Anything you say ... Racist!

    Cry Havoc; and let slip the dogs of war!

  • TrojanMonkey said... (original post)

    Disagree with Obama's economic policies? Racist!

    The only people I have heard this from are conservatives claiming that liberals say this. Can you show me one liberal that said or wrote this please. I made the same request to someone else that made this accusation, and the request was met by cricket sounds.

    Interestingly, Cain played the race card. I have never seen Obama play it.

    This post was edited by Morethanafan 3 years ago

  • TrojanMonkey said... (original post)

    I have never seen Obama play it.

    Obama plays the race card...

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38081

  • Obama plays the race card

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/03/028510.php

  • Obama plays the race card

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-plays-the-race-card-how-about-the-base-card/

  • Obama plays the race card

    ttp://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/351yegjf.asp

  • Obama plays the race card

    www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/16/obama-playing-the-race-card

  • old scotty said... (original post)

    Obama plays the race card...

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38081

    I just read that. It is a right wing looney article, the type you and love, that claims that Obama is playing the race card. However, it does not site one instance of him playing the race card. It just rags on him in a typical for right wing loons.

    Now, rather than an article for retards and drug addicts, do you have anything OBAMA SAID that palyed the race card? If that article, one that does not give one example of Obama playing the race card, is your best evidence, you have proven my point. He never has.

  • old scotty said... (original post)

    Obama plays the race card

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/03/028510.php

    Again, a rightwing loon, only read by loons that is supposedly quoting someone that supposedly heard something in a private conversation that no one else heard. If this was in fact said in a private conversation as alleged by the person who knows someone that heard it, how did Obama play the race card? I.e., he did not publicly make the comment. Again, if this is your best evidence, you prove my point. Obama has not played the race card.

  • TrojanMonkey said... (original post)

    , it does not site one instance of him playing the race card.

    For once he is correct, if unintentionally due to his ignorance...it does not "site" anything, but it does "cite" instances of Obama playing the race card, as do the other articles.

    Leftists are always the same, if presented with facts....they blame the messenger....
    combined with him being a low life liar and one make repeated unwelcome comments and attacks upon my family, these are the reasons I never respond directly to him, but on occasion must point our for others his reprehensible behavior

  • old scotty said... (original post)

    Obama plays the race card

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-plays-the-race-card-how-about-the-base-card/

    You outdid yourself Scotty. This article states:

    "The President encouraging his base to come out in support of likely beleaguered party members in an upcoming election. That constituency included “”young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 [to] stand together once again.” What that got translated into courtesy of Drudge was Obama “playing the race card.” Yes."

    Because the President tried to rally his base, and his base happens to include minorities, Drudge claims that he was playing the race card. Again, there is no evidence of him playing the race card. He tried to rally his base. Again, do you have anything that OBAMA SAID that is playing the race card (e.g. like Cain claiming that he is being persecuted because of his race)? If this is your best evidence, you prove my point. Obama has not played the race card.

  • old scotty said... (original post)

    Obama plays the race card

    ttp://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/351yegjf.asp

    I added the "h" in front of your link so that I could visit the site.

    Some more of the same. Instead of giving what Obama wrote in 2007, you site a neo-conservative blog characterizing what he wrote.

    According to the neo-conservative article, Obama was unhappy with Hans von Spakovsky for undermining voting rights and creating roadblocks for minority voters. Apparently Obama was not alone. Bush's Justice Department sided with the people leveling accusations and the nomination was withdrawn. I find it amusing that the neo-conservative blog accuses Obama of playing the race card when many white Senators were doing the same and Bush's own Justice Department officials were doing the same. Again, if this is your best evidence, you prove my point. Obama has not played the race card.

  • old scotty said... (original post)

    Obama plays the race card

    www.buzzmachine.com/2008/01/16/obama-playing-the-race-card

    Again, it does not know state what was said. It does quote someone else that said that something said by his campaign at best called into question the oversensitivity of Mr. Obama, at worst they showed him willing to play a divisive race card. I.e., according to the author, they merely may have been Obama being oversensitive. Again, it does not state what he said. The relevant language written by someone else and quoted in the article is::

    "The thin catalogue of complaints against the Clinton campaign from the Obama campaign were unfounded, manipulative and self-indulgent. At best they called into question the oversensitivity of Mr Obama, at worst they showed him willing to play a divisive race card that is damaging the entire Democratic Party and tarnishing a great and historic electoral contest for the centre Left. The whole episode has convinced me he isn’t tough enough for the White House."

    Again, you avoid quoting what was said. Instead, you quotes someone else characterizing what he said under the worst interpretation may be playing the race card. Again, where did he say: "_________ because I'm black" or anything close to that? You seem to be avoiding citing anything he said. Again, if this is the best you have, you have nothing.

  • So, Scotty, you cannot quote one thing said by Obama where he is playing the race card? Thank you for playing and proving my point.

  • Morethanafan said... (original post)

    The only people I have heard this from are conservatives claiming that liberals say this. Can you show me one liberal that said or wrote this please. I made the same request to someone else that made this accusation, and the request was met by cricket sounds.

    Interestingly, Cain played the race card. I have never seen Obama play it.

    I believe it has been stated and at least implied by Obama's supporters. I did not see Mr. Obama stifle this anymore than he would have done this with statements by his followers that the Tea party was a bunch of racists. Don't you find it interesting how different the OWS was treated compared to the tea party by the mainstream press or how much support they had by unions, local cities, and even a gourmet chef in NY? How much money did different cities pay for clean up and feeding these people? How much did these people cost many others with their port protests? How much did the Tea Party have to pay compared to the OWS to have and organized protest? How much did it cost local governments to clean up after the tea party demonstrations? You on the left are so smug and easy to discredit. The name liberal is very misleading. You are liberal and openminded in my experience as long as everyone is kumbaya!. If someone does not agree you (not you personally) tend to marginalize or discredit. The problem with the right, is that they have not figured out how to play dirty enough. I have heard from commentators, blogs, people of reputation claiming that we on the right are pissed because we have a black president. That is absolute and total bullshit. I would not care if Obama was green Irish troll if he was so great. I tire of this attitude by many. The funny thing is that I do not hate Obama. He seems like a good guy. I just do not like his fiscal policies.

    Morgan Freeman goes after the tea party with this ignorant interview. It is embarrassing.

    Morgan Freeman: Obama Made Racism Worse, Tea

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-obama-has-made-racism-worse-tea-party-will-do-whatever

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-obama-has-made-racism-worse-tea-party-will-do-whatever

    This post was edited by Troybill 3 years ago

  • old scotty said... (original post)

    For once he is correct, if unintentionally due to his ignorance...it does not "site" anything, but it does "cite" instances of Obama playing the race card, as do the other articles.

    Leftists are always the same, if presented with facts....they blame the messenger.... combined with him being a low life liar and one make repeated unwelcome comments and attacks upon my family, these are the reasons I never respond directly to him, but on occasion must point our for others his reprehensible behavior

    You did not point to one fact. You pointed only to nutcases characterizing Obama. If you cannot present a fact, but only present the opinion of someone, then the person who offers the opinion is very relevant. They were not the messengers. They were the commentators. Why can't you point to one thing said by Obama? Your inability to do so speak very loudly. Typical conservative. You ignore the facts. Instead, you take the bullshit spewed out by nutcases as facts. Scotty, learn to look at facts, not listen to nutcases.

    I find it amusing that you point out that I used the wrong homonym in a post in which you wrote:

    "Leftists are always the same, if presented with facts....they blame the messenger.... combined with him being a low life liar and one make repeated unwelcome comments and attacks upon my family, these are the reasons I never respond directly to him, but on occasion must point our for others his reprehensible behavior"

    There are approximately 10 grammatical/punctuation errors in that one sentence (if it even is a sentence, because there is no period, exclamation point or question mark ending it).

    I have not ever attacked your family. That is another one of your lies. I hold them in very high regard. I respect them very highly for being able to tolerate you for all of these years. They deserve better. I have especially high regard for your children. They turned out wonderful despite the handicap of you as a father. Please let them know that I wish them a Happy New Year, despite having to spend it with you.

    This post was edited by Morethanafan 3 years ago

  • Troybill said... (original post)

    I believe it has been stated and at least implied by Obama's supporters. I did not see Mr. Obama stifle this anymore than he would have done this with statements by his followers that the Tea party was a bunch of racists. Don't you find it interesting how different the OWS was treated compared to the tea party by the mainstream press or how much support they had by unions, local cities, and even a gourmet chef in NY? How much money did different cities pay for clean up and feeding these people? How much did these people cost many others with their port protests? How much did the Tea Party have to pay compared to the OWS to have and organized protest? How much did it cost local governments to clean up after the tea party demonstrations? You on the left are so smug and easy to discredit. The name liberal is very misleading. You are liberal and openminded in my experience as long as everyone is kumbaya!. If someone does not agree you (not you personally) tend to marginalize or discredit. The problem with the right, is that they have not figured out how to play dirty enough. I have heard from commentators, blogs, people of reputation claiming that we on the right are pissed because we have a black president. That is absolute and total bullshit. I would not care if Obama was green Irish troll if he was so great. I tire of this attitude by many. The funny thing is that I do not hate Obama. He seems like a good guy. I just do not like his fiscal policies.

    Morgan Freeman goes after the tea party with this ignorant interview. It is embarrassing.

    If you want to argue that some Obama supporters have accused people of racism, I would agree. That is very different than Obama playing the race card as people have accused. Do some people play the race card when I believe they are totally off base? Absolutely. However, sometimes motivations are race based.

    As far as the OWS being treated different, they are different. In some ways, rightfully. They are different and their tactics were different. Also, one is on the right and the other on the left. That caused Fox to promote the Tea Party and slam the OWS. It caused MSNBC to embrace the OWS and criticize the Tea Party (not nearly as bad as Fox slams the OWS).

    The clean up for the OWS is a legitimate complaint in my opinion, but New York pays to clean up after all protests and parades. This is not out of the ordinary there. As far as feeding, I am not aware of the city paying anything to feed them. I thought all of the food was privately donated.

    As far as liberals being happy unless someone disagrees with them, that is the same with the left. As far as the right not playing dirty enough, what is claiming that all of the protesters fail to shower, are homeless and unemployed? What is intentionally doctoring videos (i.e. fraud) to make a point by Fox News? That is not playing dirty?

    Getting back to the point, contrary to what Scotty posted, Obama has not played the race card. Some supporters have. The example that you gave of Morgan Freeman is a good one. However, that is much different that Obama doing so. Should the wrong statements of supporters be imputed to a candidate?

  • Morethanafan said... (original post)

    If you want to argue that some Obama supporters have accused people of racism, I would agree. That is very different than Obama playing the race card as people have accused. Do some people play the race card when I believe they are totally off base? Absolutely. However, sometimes motivations are race based.

    As far as the OWS being treated different, they are different. In some ways, rightfully. They are different and their tactics were different. Also, one is on the right and the other on the left. That caused Fox to promote the Tea Party and slam the OWS. It caused MSNBC to embrace the OWS and criticize the Tea Party (not nearly as bad as Fox slams the OWS).

    The clean up for the OWS is a legitimate complaint in my opinion, but New York pays to clean up after all protests and parades. This is not out of the ordinary there. As far as feeding, I am not aware of the city paying anything to feed them. I thought all of the food was privately donated.

    As far as liberals being happy unless someone disagrees with them, that is the same with the left. As far as the right not playing dirty enough, what is claiming that all of the protesters fail to shower, are homeless and unemployed? What is intentionally doctoring videos (i.e. fraud) to make a point by Fox News? That is not playing dirty?

    Getting back to the point, contrary to what Scotty posted, Obama has not played the race card. Some supporters have. The example that you gave of Morgan Freeman is a good one. However, that is much different that Obama doing so. Should the wrong statements of supporters be imputed to a candidate?

    It would be political suicide if Obama played the race card. His supporters to include a member or two have made statements slandering the tea party. Obama does not have to lift a finger. I would not either in his position. His silence in sense is tacit approval of this tactic or a political ploy. Either way the seed of doubt is placed in the minds of his supporters.

  • Troybill said... (original post)

    It would be political suicide if Obama played the race card. His supporters to include a member or two have made statements slandering the tea party. Obama does not have to lift a finger. I would not either in his position. His silence in sense is tacit approval of this tactic or a political ploy. Either way the seed of doubt is placed in the minds of his supporters.

    I agree with your first sentence. Regarding the slander, people on the right have not slandered the OWS? I believe the slandering of the OWS is worse. Your post was objective for the most part. You did not like having to pay to clean up and deal with them. That is a legitimate concern in my opinion. However, claiming that all of them are unemployed, unbathed, violent, homeless people is ridiculous. I hear that on Fox, conservative talk radio, conservative blogs and from Republican politicians all the time.

    As far as not denouncing things, Republican candidates not only fail to denounce offensive stuff, they sometimes agree with it and never apologize. For example, the false claims by Huckabee regarding Obama's past (him growing up in Kenya as a Muslim and being anti-West during that upbringing) during the first campaign were unbelievable. No one denounced that. He never even apologized for them. I have not seen any Republicans denounce Trump's continued insistance that Obama was not born here. Candidates are begging for Trump's approval. Why should Obama be held to a much higher standard than Republicans? He is supposed to denounce everything said by supporters, but Republicans do not even have to apologize for what they say or what is said by a Presidential candidate of their party.

  • Morethanafan said... (original post)

    I agree with your first sentence. Regarding the slander, people on the right have not slandered the OWS? I believe the slandering of the OWS is worse. Your post was objective for the most part. You did not like having to pay to clean up and deal with them. That is a legitimate concern in my opinion. However, claiming that all of them are unemployed, unbathed, violent, homeless people is ridiculous. I hear that on Fox, conservative talk radio, conservative blogs and from Republican politicians all the time.

    As far as not denouncing things, Republican candidates not only fail to denounce offensive stuff, they sometimes agree with it and never apologize. For example, the false claims by Huckabee regarding Obama's past (him growing up in Kenya as a Muslim and being anti-West during that upbringing) during the first campaign were unbelievable. No one denounced that. He never even apologized for them. I have not seen any Republicans denounce Trump's continued insistance that Obama was not born here. Candidates are begging for Trump's approval. Why should Obama be held to a much higher standard than Republicans? He is supposed to denounce everything said by supporters, but Republicans do not even have to apologize for what they say or what is said by a Presidential candidate of their party.

    I never really treated Trump seriously. There was a lot of misspeak starting with Obama's grand mother. Unfortunately it ballooned. I never understood why Obama waited so long to address this issue through his staff or PR person. I have heard the excuse that he had more pressing issues. This may be true. But why not defuse this thing before it got any synergy? I have also been told that when people are occupied with peripheral issues like this nonsense they do not pay as much attention to more important issues. We have a pretty stupid electorate.

    This post was edited by Troybill 3 years ago

  • TrojanMonkey said... (original post)

    , you site a neo-conservative blog characterizing what he wrote.

    This is the second post, in this thread, in which this idiot has confused the words "site" and "cite"......

    think about that the next time he tries to tell you how important and how intelligent he is....

  • old scotty said... (original post)

    This is the second post, in this thread, in which this idiot has confused the words "site" and "cite"......

    think about that the next time he tries to tell you how important and how intelligent he is....

    Scotty, your one sentence (using the term loosely) paragraph in the same post that you first pointed out my typo was so unintelligible and full of grammar and punctuation mistakes that most sane people would have had the common sense not to point out a simple typo. Of course, sane rules you out. You keep going on with it. I suggest readers readers read my second and third paragraph in my post six up from this and decide whose brains you could stick in a hummingbird and still have it fly backwards.

    Scotty, your wonderful wife and children deserve better than you. They deserve someone honest and literate.

  • The reason why OWS hasn't had much of a following within the Black Community is simple. Its like the Drug Crisis. A lot of the things OWS is complaining about have been long standing grievances within the Black Community. Its not that the Tea Party is in someway more in touch with the African American Community. That concept is laughable.

    Basically the attitude is:

    a-Well its about time!
    b-Welcome to the party.

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