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The move from brick and mortar retailers to online retailers is Obama's fault? I find it funny how conservatives claim that anyone that argues against them are up Obama's ass. In fact, it is conservatives that are so Obamacentric. Conservatives do not realize that some things negative have nothing to do with Obama. The Obama hate is like a fetish. If you do not blame Obama for everything and instead try to deal with facts, you are up his ass.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Morethanafan 17 months ago
You do realize that Darden was doing well until they publicly announced that they would move employees to part time to avoid health insurance don't you? You do realize that there was an organized boycott at that point and it has not since recovered, don't you? See post just above this one.
This post was edited by Morethanafan 17 months ago
I'm not saying that the internet dynamic is obama's fault. I'm just saying he has had 5 years to live up to the promise he made about unemployment and the economy. He hasn't and continues to blame bush.
You can continue to say the recovery is happening. But there are millions that can't get jobs that would argue with you.
"...an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough jobs or enough profits" JFK
You wrote: "This Obama recovery isn't just hurting chains but also small operators all over."
I think the more precise way to state that is:
The "recovery" that Obama insists we are in has not only hurt chains, but also small operators all over.
It is not Obama's fault that the online/retail dynamic is in the state that it is, but the level of economic recovery that we are in (or, not in, depending on your perspective) is Obama's to own...4+ years later, he cannot blame it on anyone other than himself (but I am sure that teh Obama faithful here will see it otherwise).
I expect that after 8 years, when things are still dire, it will STILL be Bush's fault.
I agree that we are beyond Bush. I also agree with the ambiguity that you point out (are we in a recovery or not) is the relevant question. I believe that given the world situation that we are doing quite well. We are doing better than any other developed nation. That is relevant, because other nations doing so poorly is causing a headwind for us. I don't believe brick and mortar retailers indicate anything other than our changing retailing economy.
For the sake of trying to keep things on a professional level, can you elaborate some of the elements that are allowing us to "do well"? Also, do you feel these elements which many critics have deem to be overpriced and ephemeral band aide solutions can be sustained? (many say no).
Perhaps we're spoiled but I don't really find too much to cheer about when we've come to a point where we're celebrating being the best house in a shitty neighborhood. Sorry, but that is like UCLA fans who cheer 5 win seasons as long as they beat us.
At the end of the day, economic deterioration around us still exists in one form or another.
I think the payroll tax cut was a good example of measures that are no longer sustainable. When you have the current working generation paying for the benefits of the previous, retired generation, we need to contribute to those accounts if we expect that system to remain solvent.
The thing that I find the most interesting is that the payroll tax holiday was something that John McCain was ridiculed for by Obama himself during the election, however it has become a major part of his economic recovery plan. So much so that when it expired the Democrats have taken to the streets to tell the American population that the GOP has increased their taxes - when it is not a tax increase at all, just that we are actually paying into a system that we are all legally required to pay into - and will, hopefully, be receiving checks from that same system when we retire (not holding my breath on that one). A system that the Democrats have refused to even consider reforming for the last 20+ years.
This post was edited by deetj13 17 months ago
Regarding your second paragraph, all developed countries are not a neighborhood, it is everything. To use your analogy, that is the best house in the country. Also, it is not just merely a matter of comparison (like your UCLA analogy). Because of the economy being totally global, other countries having their problems cause us to do worse. To distinguish this from your UCLA analogy, other Pac 12 teams doing poorly does not hurt UCLA's chances of winning games. Other countries doing poorly hurts our economy.
Regarding your last sentence, I disagree that our economy is deteriorating. It is not growing at the rate anyone would like, but is not the same as deteriorating.
Off the top of my head (with time, I might think of additional things) the biggest factors causing us to do relatively well are very low interest rates, jobs created by energy (pipeline, oil shale development and fracking), not having hurt ourselves with sequester (yet), increased spending by our citizens, foreign investment, money being provided to the needy (e.g. extended unemployment) letting them continue to spend, and real estate rebounding. Many of those things overlap (e.g. real estate is rebounding largely because of low interest rates and foreign investment). Regarding sustainablility, interest rates can be kept low likely until employment improves. Energy is sustainable. As our economy and real estate improve, people are likely to spend more. I do not know about foreign investment. Money to the needy will be sustained, but not to the degree it is now. Hopefully, it will not be needed as the economy improves.
Ironically, there are a few stores on that list that are killing themselves with their own online discounting.
I do not closely follow retail, but perhaps some of those stores that you mention see themselves transitioning to being mostly or competely online stores.
It's a poor platform to work from, particularly from a customer service POV. If someone goes into one of those retail stores and asks if they can get the online price, the answer should be, "yes." The person saying, "sorry, no" will be wondering why they do not have a job soon.
Yes and no! I'll explain later...we had a tidal wave of online orders over the weekend and I'm swamped today!
The economy isn't helping things. I'm doing more business right now because myself and my help are working harder to get it. When this economy finally does come around I will really see the fruit of our labor.
The economy that Obama inherited was a mess more than 30 years in the making. This isn't simply Bush's fault but saying it's all 'on Obama' is even more ludicrous than that claim.
Like most everything that else that stinks, it all starts with that LOUSY Richard M. Nixon!!
Join the fight for YOUR liberty!
I think he was talking about Carter. The last president nearly as bad as "you know who".
Nixon was gone 40+ years ago.
True, but Nixon did take us off the gold standard and is responsible for the use of high fructose corn syrup AND for radically forwarding the concept of HMOs, not to mention escalating the military industrial complex and disgracing the office the Presidency which has never recovered in terms of cynicism and lack of respect from the mainstream media.
So, best I can tell, he kind of screwed us too.
With all that and you missed one MAJOR thing that Nixon gave us that still has a lasting effect on the country -- Price Controls.
He also introduced the idea of government controls over executive pay...you are right, Nixon was a big reason we are here -- but we also cannot ignore LBJ's contributions.
Touche. I also forgot that Nixon gifted us with the worthless Drug Enforcement Agency and the awesome Environmental Protection Agency. Thanks, Dick!
True statement re: LBJ. Our problems go back much further than the aforementioned 30 years.
This post was edited by SpiritofTroy74 17 months ago
yeah, some of the biggest ones we are dealing with go back to FDR and his raw deal.
Damn, I left FDR off of my worst president's list in the other thread!
FDR. And it ain't even close after that.
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