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About 60 percent of Republicans in a Washington Post poll said they think the nation's illegal immigrants should be able to gradually earn their citizenship, a centerpiece of a new immigration reform blueprint proposed in the Senate.
But when President Barack Obama is mentioned, much of that Republican support vanishes.
When the question mentions that Obama proposed the path to citizenship, only 39 percent of Republicans said they backed such a move.
The polling suggests that the more closely associated the president is with immigration reform, the harder it might be for Republicans to drum up conservative support for a bill. Obama campaigned on passing immigration reform in his second term and will almost certainly stump for the issue in his State of the Union speech Tuesday night.
They needed a poll to know that Republicans are for some things unless Obama is for it? I have been saying this almost as long as Obama has been in office. It has been pretty obvious to most people that do not drink the CEC Kool-Aid.
Exactly. As we've discussed before, it's not just immigration. This behavior from the right extends to just about any and all issues that have come about since Obama has been in office.
The most ridiculous and blatantly obvious example that comes to mind is the Payroll Tax break situation. To Recap:
-Republicans pushed a payroll tax break back in 2008 and 2009.
-President Obama didn't sign on, as he was able to give the same sort of tax breaks to people through the Stimulus.
-As the Stimulus program nears an end, it becomes clear that the tax credits and breaks in the Stimulus were not going to be extended by Congress.
-President Obama then agrees to the payroll tax breaks in order to not raise taxes on the middle class during the recession.
-Republicans then oppose any payroll tax extension.
That really happened. True story.
This post was edited by cstory80 14 months ago
I am shocked to hear there is hypocrisy in DC. I'm starting to wonder if giving politicians more and more power over our money and our lives is really the best thing to do. It looks like they may not have a clue as to what the fuck they are doing or at the very least their agenda is driven by something other than what is in the best interests of their constituents.
The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager
I realize that you are not happy unless you are bashing politicians, but this poll has nothing to do with politicians. It has to do with Republicans in general. I.e., Republicans are hypocritical, not just Republican politicians.
The more things change on this board -- the more they stay the same.
The Democrats invented the word "hypocritical". I see things haven't changed much since I've. Last visited here. Comedy Central for the libs.
Getting back to the topic being discussed...
When that bi-partisan group of 8 Senators made their announcement a couple of weeks ago, I stated then that I wanted Obama to propose something WAY over the top, so that GOP Senators could then disagree with Obama....and support the framework laid out in the bi-partisan Senate plan. Obama needs to give them something to reject, but that rejected plan needs to include proposals that are much more ambitious than what he actually believes can get through.
Also, I know you've seen Jon Stewart's piece on The State of The Union. Watching the difference in John McCain's reaction to the mention of comprehensive immigration reform in the past and comparing that to how he reacting during this year's speech was too damn funny.
I wish sensible conservatives realized that they have a problem with all of the instinctive haters and culture warriors and made the case that conservatives should work to help get things done, not play culture warriors and partisan political warfare.
“Close tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share,” Reagan vowed.
Yes. The sad thing is that I used to like McCain a lot because of his principles. It seems that being a politician for so many years has warn away much of his principles.
McCain has changed over the years. My opinion is that losing to Bush in 2000 and Obama in 2008 has made him bitter.
Perhaps that is the reason. It is hard to tell why and I can't think of a better explanation for his change.
This article makes the point quite eloquently. There is not one conservative approach to anything. There are many shades of conservatism. But this RINO and partisan fervor that has taken over the party has ruined it and will consign the GOP to minority status for some time.
That is one of the best opinion pieces I've read recently.
I don't believe that most republicans see the party's past, present, and future in the way it was laid out in that article, and that is going to hurt the party in the future. Time and time again on these boards, I've read posts from republicans in which they state the party hasn't moved to the right over the last 30 years. I've read posts in which it has been stated that the leaders in the party were doing absolutely nothing to alienate large segments of the population. I believe them we they have told me that they don't believe there are any problems with the current ideology of the party. I also believe them to be somewhat out of touch with reality.
I feel like I've heard this somewhere...
“An Obama plan led and driven by Obama in this atmosphere with the level of hostility towards the president and the way he goads the hostility I think is very hard to imagine that bill, that his bill is going to pass the House,” Gingrich said. “I think that negotiated with a Senate immigration bill that has to have bipartisan support could actually get to the president’s desk.”
He was elected twice. They need to get over it. And think more about solving our problems than culture war posturing.
I also realize you are not happy unless you're making snide personal attacks
Do you really consider that an attack? If so, I apologize, but step back and think about this, and I do not mean it in a mean way. I believe it simply is a fact. Correct me if you believe I am wrong. Almost regardless of the topic, aren't you more than 50% to either bash politicians (more likely of the two) or bring up fairtax.org in any thread in which you post?
This post was edited by Morethanafan 14 months ago
the last 10 threads I've posted on
1. This one (bashing politicians)
2. Kate Upton - definitely not a bash politicians or fairtax.org post
3. Will the GOP oppose pre-k - definitely not a bash politicians or fairtax.org post
4. I started a thread on the State of the Union (i) - I don't think I'd call that an anti politician post. but that might be debatable
5. 4 years ago we were in a recession - although I was bagging on the American voter more than politicians I think we'll call this one a "bash politicians" post
6. Chris Dorner - definitely not a bash politicians or fairtax.org post
7. Seal Who Shot Bin Laden - definitely not a bash politicians or fairtax.org post
8. Well wishes to Djeet - definitely not a bash politicians or fairtax.org post
9. Terrorist Attack US Embassy in Turkey - not a bash politicians or fairtax.org post
10. Will Obama finally get tough on banks - definitely not a bash politicians or fairtax.org post
So one or possibly two of my past ten threads I've posted in are of the nature you suspected. So I'm going to go ahead and say you are wrong.
I do consider your commentary on what makes me happy very uninformed and it certainly relates to my personality. It was also a snide remark. So yes, I consider it a personal attack. If you can't see that I'd say you are at the very least socially awkward. BUt I think you can. That's a pattern of yours. You slip into personal attacks quite often.
Like I said - the more things change around here, the more they stay the same.
I have seen far too much of the same crap that we saw before the election - frankly it has gotten worse.
I have no time for this childishness and will no longer participate in any political threads.
If it was only 20%, then I apologize.
seems like the President himself mentions gov't made problems in his own speeches at a rate close to 20%. I heard one just today.
from today's speech
“It seems like every three months around here, there is some manufactured crisis,” Obama said. “We've got more work to do than to just try to dig ourselves out of these self-inflicted wounds.”
This post was edited by TrojanMonkey 14 months ago
those of us with the time for childishness will miss your contributions.
Get well soon.
Most of the people being the worst behaved before the election are no longer on the board.... The standard of debate is much more civilized, although I certainly do miss certain posters and their contributions. Anyway, get well.
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