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GOD BLesS AMeRiCA!!!
MeMBeR SiNcE 9/11/2011
MaY GOD BLesS ThE U.S.C. TROJAN'S, AnD AMeRiCA,---FoR ALLL ETeRNiTY!!!
When life starts?
They find a zygote on Mars and it makes worldwide news and spurs the space research to unprecedented levels, put it in a woman's uterus and we can't be sure?
Who is being obtuse?
"...an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough jobs or enough profits" JFK
What does being a christian have to do with protecting innocent life? Protecting those that don't get a "choice", that don't get a say but killed anyway. You don't have to be a Christian to want to protect the innocent.
So are you committing genocide every time you wash your face and skin cells drop off you? Saying there is no debate about what constitutes 'life' and then accusing someone else of being obtuse is pretty much epic.
But you are a Christian, non? So how has your pacifism taken root in your activism? Those wars must tear you up inside. How many death penalty cases have you tried to stop?
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Please! Who said I was a pacifist? I am against the killing of the innocent when they get no choice.
Because someone else steals a car doesn't mean I get to steal your car, or you get to steal mine.
I am not in favor of war. However, there is a purpose for it. And my rank doesn't allow for me to be the one that decides when our country goes to war.
Also, 99.9999 of those receiving capital punishment are not innocent. They get a say and a trial. And are proven to be guilty and deserving of the death penalty. Unfortunately, many of them sit on death row for so long that they outlive they families of those they murdered. I have family that was killed by Richard Ramirez. Both of her sons died before RR was ever brought to justice. Are you trying to say that RR should not receive the death penalty?
And yes, I am a Christian. However, I do not use that as the basis for my argument that we should not be killing our children. Because everyone here is not a Christian, so I can't hold them to that standard in discussion. However, we are all human.
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You are comparing a living organism that will grow to be a person is the same as dead skin cells?
Now I know why you are for killing the innocent. Makes sense now.
So, what I am hearing is that you don't really value all life as God's gift at all. You just want to kvetch about abortion when the standard for life is murky, but actually living, breathing people you don't really care about. Got it.
And, yes, I am against the death penalty. The government has no right to take the lives of its citizens. And I am a Christian and think a culture of life is important. And there have been some infamous cases of miscarriages of justice.
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DEATH AND DOUBT$LINEBREAK$Eyewitness says he felt influenced by police to ID the teen as the killer Texas executed its fifth teenage offender at 22 minutes after midnight on Aug. 24, 1993, after his last request for bubble gum had been refused and his final claim of innocence had been forever silenced. Ruben Cantu, 17 at the time of his crime, had no previous convictions, but a San Antonio prosecutor had branded him a violent thief, gang member and murderer who ruthlessly shot one victim nine times with a rifle before emptying at least nine more rounds into the only eyewitness — a man who barely survived to testify. A dozen years after his execution, a Houston Chronicle investigation suggests that Cantu, a former special-ed student who grew up in a tough neighborhood on the south side of San Antonio, was likely telling the truth. Cantu's long-silent co-defendant, David Garza, just 15 when the two boys allegedly committed a murder-robbery together, has signed a sworn affidavit saying he allowed his friend to be falsely accused, though Cantu wasn't with him the night of the killing. Juan Moreno, an illegal immigrant at the time of the shooting, said his damning in-court identification was based on his fear of authorities and police interest in Cantu. [...] thoughts Presented with these statements, as well as information from hundreds of pages of court and police documents gathered by the Chronicle that cast doubt on the case, key players in Cantu's death — including the judge, prosecutor, head juror and defense attorney — now acknowledge that his conviction seems to have been built on omissions and lies. Sam Millsap Jr., the former Bexar County district attorney who made the decision to charge Cantu with capital murder, says he never should have sought the death penalty in a case based on the testimony of an eyewitness who identified Cantu only after police officers showed him Cantu's photo three separate times. Police reports have unexplained omissions and irregularities. Witnesses who could have provided an alibi for Cantu that night were never interviewed. [...] no physical evidence — not even a fingerprint or a bullet — tied Cantu to the crime. Worse, some think Cantu's arrest was instigated by police officers because Cantu shot and wounded an off-duty officer during an unrelated bar fight. In 1987, he wrote to the Board of Pardons and Paroles, saying: [...] on the day he finally was strapped to a gurney and readied for a lethal injection, Cantu said nothing as his attorney watched him die through a special one-way viewing window. After the Chronicle showed her new statements about the Cantu case, jury forewoman Ward, who still lives in the suburbs of San Antonio, said she also is disturbed by her part in his fate: When the pieces come together in the wrong way, disaster happens. Aurelia raised her boys and a daughter mostly alone while her husband worked long hours as a maintenance man at Market Square, a popular tourist attraction. Surrounded by grinding poverty, Cantu could spend all he wanted on video games, movies and drugs. The only light came from the bare 75-watt bulb of a single lamp powered by an extension cord connected to a neighbor's outlet. The description he gave of his attackers fit almost all of the male teens in the neighborhood: two Mexican-Americans who he thought lived nearby. [...] Moreno remained in critical condition on a breathing machine — unable to talk and unable to write because of massive internal injuries. After midnight, Cantu was shooting 35-cent pool games at the Scabaroo Lounge, a fluorescent-lit local hangout about a mile from his father's home. An off-duty police officer who was a stranger to Cantu was playing at another table with a cousin. Defense attorneys claimed that police illegally searched Cantu's home the night of the shooting. [...] Ewell was a friend of De La Luz, the injured officer, and said the attack prompted him to reopen the unsolved Briggs Street murder case in which the only surviving eyewitness had previously failed to identify Cantu. Another visitFor two months, Moreno, recovering at his brother's home, had received no visits or calls from San Antonio police. In the kitchen of his brother's house, Moreno still did not identify Cantu, though at some point he learned that Cantu had shot a police officer. A San Antonio police spokesman said department policy does not allow officers to discuss old closed cases. [...] Baxter, now an attorney in Washington state, said he privately interviewed Moreno before the trial in 1985 to try to determine whether he had made the ID just to please police. [...] in the punishment phase of the trial, prosecutors presented another star witness — De La Luz, the officer shot by Cantu three months after the Gomez murder. Without that bar shooting, prosecutors would have been left to try to argue for death based on street rumors about Cantu's gang activities and a pending marijuana-possession charge. For years, defense attorneys who handled Cantu's appeals attacked the reliability of Moreno's identification, insisting that police inappropriately influenced him.
I'm speaking only to you since you have stated you are a Christian.
My personal belief is that there is conflict between being a Christian and being pro-choice. They just don't line up.
I have no problem with the death penalty. As a human or as a Christian. If that is what my country determines to be the law.
Personally, I would rather it be the exception. But I also think that they should reinstate "hard" time for the worst offenses.
I think it is very tough. Certainly in the Christian worldview life is precious. That means all life. Not just innocent life. But there is a debate about when that life begins. Not all Christians accept that it is at conception. Considering the extreme loss of life in the Iraq war, not to mention the human tragedy of refugees, wounded etc, it is pretty impossible to be a Christian and be in favor of that war. Or most recent wars. As I am sure you know, there is a long Christian tradition of both pacifism and a real wrestling with a Christian foundation for Just War theory since Augustine. Certainly Iraq didn't qualify. What makes some people suspect the real faith of those who claim to be Christian and oppose abortion, is the casualness with which they accept early deaths through poverty, the casual use of violence in our foreign policy, the state-endorsed execution of people etc etc. As Christians it is important to wrestle with our own consciences and our own understanding of scripture when it comes to these things. But if the Prince of Peace came back, I don't think he would be toting assault rifles, passing bums in the street, and refusing people healthcare while pressing the government to drop bunker-busting ordinance on Iran. Yet it is 'Christians' who sign up for this agenda who have the gall to cast the first stone when it comes to the much trickier issue of abortion. Mind-boggling.
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You still are not making sense. So, it isn't the fact that cells are living that constitutes life, according to your view. It is the 'potentiality' of those cells to live independently?
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