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Well put and I agree with your synopsis.
Given that, this is one incident that I believe warranted a post season ban. That would hold the entire team accountable for their actions, or inaction.
It will be interesting to see how they deal with the various players, but it seems impossible to nail every player who was involved.
BTW, what constitutes being involved in this program since the bounty was put out to the entire defense?
Considering they had a bounty in the last game of the season last year and the investigation started 3 years ago, hard to believe anyone who says they didn't know about what was going on.
wow, Paul dee would be proud. Can any of you show any proof that they played the game any differntly than they would have otherwise? Did they have more personal fouls? Did they injure more players? I dont' know the answer to those questions but my gut is no. It was a symbolic motivational gesture. It was in poor taste. So is a lot of things they do (grabbing each other by the nuts, eye gouging, hazing, etc..)
Post season bans and year long suspension is totally excessive.
The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager
Makes me yearn for the days of Pete Rozelle. Godell has let power go to his head.
This post was edited by Metrobank 2 years ago
C'mon, Monkey...you're way smarter than that.
They're being held accountable for ignoring the NFL's policy on bounties, implementing a system that rewards injuring opposing players, and lying about their bounty system.
Sounds like you are only opposed to the punishment because serious injury couldn't be quantified.
In many ways they should be thankful for being exposed before an opponent was maimed, crippled, or killed as a result of their bounty system. They would likely then be looking at criminal charges instead of administrative punishment.
They must have been consulting with the NCAA..... These sanctions were just a tad over the top especially for Payton.
I am opposed to the severity of the punishment because I think they need to show the Saints did something different from the rest of leave on the field. I think they were doing the same thing every NFL defense does you just tried to kill the offensive player i think they all do it the saints just had a childish symbolic motivational ploy
For those of you that think the punishment is fair I have a couple of questions. Do you think the saints played differently than if the only reward was a pat on the back? Do you think players on other teams try to knock players out and do they get praise from their coaches when they do?
Yes. I think when a bounty is tied to another player by name, he was likely targeted with more cheap shots.
I don't think others were necessary trying to injure other players named by a coach as targets. The compensation isn't what I have a problem with.
Brett Favre, for one, disagrees. He said he felt like he had a bounty on his head every game he ever started.
I don't dispute they're being held accountable but I can apply that to anything. You could execute them and you can say they're being held accountable. The question is does the punishment fit the crime?
As far as injuries go - players give maimed, crippled and killed every year by playing football - bounties aren't required
This post was edited by TrojanMonkey 2 years ago
Yes, I think it does fit the crime. It was a leadership failure. a coaching failure. It put players at risk. Rather than just go after players, the league is hitting the coach and the organization. The penalty has minimal effect on competition. This is not like the NCAA screwing with the balance of competition. The Saints will survive this.
The biggest victim of this is the Rams who lose their Defensive Coordinator. Everyone else made their own bed.
Anyway, a year suspension for a coach isn't as harsh as it is for a player. Coaches don't have the same short shelf life.
Too bad for him the League is the only game in town. Work for FOX/ESPN for a year, and then back, either at the Saints or elsewhere. There will be openings.
The serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference.
Well the bar has been set. I guess will see if the nfl will be more consistant than the NCAA. Every punishment they hand out from this point forward will be compared to this.
I would not be surprised to Nfl owners get tired of RG's heavy hand and let him go
It looks like the patriots were lucky he was not commissioner during spy gate
it will be interesting to see what the NFL has to say about him working around the league perimeter, such as being a broadcaster.
If I was Peyton I would take a true sabbatical, get away from the game, spend time with family, travel, do charity work, write a book. Such a rare opportunity for a coach. He has no money issues, and his job will be there when he gets back. Step away.
I don't think the League, big as it is, can stop him from working at ESPN. Nor do I think it would want to.
But would he want to? Like you say, take the year off. Jobs will be there. Ask Bill Cohwer.
"Do you think the saints played differently than if the only reward was a pat on the back?"
Do you think the Saints would even have a bounty if THEY didn't believe it would motivate players to play differently?
Why give away money for nothing if they there's absolutely ZERO ROI? Of course players attempted to play differently as a result of the bounties. Intent matters in this instance.
"Do you think players on other teams try to knock players out and do they get praise from their coaches when they do?"
Apples and Oranges. They got busted for blatantly defying the league. You and I would likely be fired if we thumbed our noses at upper management and got caught blatantly ignoring them.
These guys aren't victims.They're volunteers who willingly rolled the dice and got bit in the ass.
Like I said earlier, if some player got crippled or killed as a result of a cheapshot because he had a bounty on him, the perpetrator would be facing criminal charges, along with the coaches and management who allowed the risk.
These guys got lucky for now and deserved whatever they got. They lose their right to claim the Commissioner was too heavy-handed when they blew him off.
Why? It's just one of many motivational things they do. You can't hear a d-cord yelling at hid def that he wants "favres head on a platter"? I think they all use different motivation to get their players to do the same thing....destroy the other team physically. Football is a violent dangerous game and I don't think an extra thousand bucks is going to get a player to do something he wasn't going to do for the million he is already getting or the millions they will get on their next contract when the coaches have approved of their play.
Do you think a player would be prosecuted if his coach just told him to knock the fuck outta the qb because it's his job and his next contract depended on it and said player got hurt?
What penalty would have been too harsh in your opinion? Banned for life? Jail? 3 seasons? And to all those can't we just say "they're being held accountable for breaking the rules"?
For the record brdcstr, you're one of my favorite posters and I respect your opinion. I think I'm open minded here but I havnt heard what I think is a good justification. I truly believe most nfl players have violent intentions when they take the field regardless of an extra thousand here and there
I guess the bottom line to me is the saints committed a crime in the locker room not on the field. Taking draft picks and Payton impacts the field. I think the penalty should be limited to off the field (money and acts of contrition)
I'm pretty sure he was the commish then.
This is not at all like USC's sanctions. The NFL punished the perpetrator. The NCAA did not punish Bush, it punished USC. USC did not lie to the NCAA. USC did not continue behavior after it was told to stop. Comparing the two is nonsense.
Well Said. +1
Well, hell. Belchek cheated on the field and h got fined, right?
USC did nothing wrong? Zero? Really?
Whatever, Point is if USC was guilty of every thing the NCAA accused thm of the punishment did not fit the crime
Belichick was fined, the organization was fined, and they lost a first round pick. Spygate posed no risk of physical injury to players so it is not as serious of an issue. I do think the penalty could have been harsher for them, but the type of violation is really not comparable.
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