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The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager
Absolutely fucking ridiculous and over the top.
Quote from Roger Goodell:
When there is targeting of players for injury and cash rewards over a three-year period, the involvement of the coaching staff, and three years of denials and willful disrespect of the rules, a strong and lasting message must be sent that such conduct is totally unacceptable and has no place in the game.
everybody likes sausage but nobody wants to see how it's made.
These guys are trying to knock guys out every play regardless of symbolic monetary rewards. If they can show the saints def got more personal fouls or, in some other measurable way, proove they were taking cheap shots then I'm all for it. But as far as I'm concerned they were doing what every other defensive player was trying to do....knock the shit outta the other team.
Perhaps they went so over to the top so that when an appeal is made and the penalty is scaled back, they penalty can still be somewhat meaningful. Maybe Payton will end up being suspended for 4-8 games next season......rather than 16+.
It's ironic that the day after Hines Wards announces his retirement and everybody is talking about what a wonderful player he was this comes down. Hines spent every play that was designed to him trying to knock people out of the game.
I was just thinking that, but who makes the appeal on his behalf? Obviously with the players it is the union, but with the coach, is it his agent?
At least for the Saints they get to keep their first round pick.
Agree, I was just discussing this... the NFL aimed high knowing the players union will most likely bring the penalties back down.
I think it is right, you can't cross this line. You can't try to injure people, not just hurt, but injure them so they can't play. It is bullshit to claim 'that is how the game is played'. It was a shitty program, and in an era where the league is putting player safety first. It is against the rules, and they got caught.
Apparently the league had no lack of evidence when passing judgement. It was harsh, but it won't happen again. By the way, I would not be surprised if he can appeal the ruling and end up with 6-8 games.
I don't know that it will be the players union. My guess is that it will be the ownership group of the Saints that files the appeal.
Well stated, I know we discussed this a couple weeks back, and you and I still feel the same.
Hines Ward should have never made it out of week 1. That guy tried to injure players every game. He's not alone. That's what they all do. Do they get scolded when the knock a QB senseless? Only if it was a cheap shot. Defensive players are in the game to knock the living shit out of the offensive players (with legal hits).
If the Saints were taking cheap shots then fuck em, but if they were actually playing the game the same as the other players but had a nominal finacial, and in my opinion symbolic, reward then whatever. It's bad form and is in bad taste but if it doesn't change how they played then whatever.
To me it's similar to hate crime legislation. If I walk up and punch you in the face I get one penalty. If I walk up and call you a racial slur and punch you in the face I get a much more severe penalty. Doesn't track logically to me.
I don't think the players union is on Payton's side with this. Players around the league are pissed off about the bounty program. The players union was consulted on the penalty and is also doing it's own investigation
what do we suspect Hines Ward was trying to do to Keith Rivers on this play?
Silly Bungals...Thought you could hang with the big boys of the NFL
People seem to be missing something in this thread. Not only did he do what people in this this thread are discussing (try to have opposing players injured), he also lied about having done it. As we all know, the cover up sometimes has as bad or worse consequences than the actions being investigated.
Something important to note, the suspension isn't because of the bounty program. It's because they lied the league and tried to cover it up.
PREP NOT HYPE
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Roger Goodell is the worst person alive.
Sean Payton can't control the behavior of grown men. I wouldn't expect him too and no one should expect him too.
This bounty thing also happens in a lot of places. These guys blow money on tigers and multiple ferraris, of course they're going to gamble with each other.
I also believe that it's been blown way out of proportion. I expect these guys to exchange money for great plays behind closed doors, as great plays help everyone's paycheck. Sometimes great plays get people knocked out. It's not a big deal.
Am I surprised that a bunch of hyped up defensive player went on tirades about injuring Brett Favre or other players? No. It's the locker room! Of course someone is going to say something stupid and crazy. I see crazy stuff at practice everyday since it's a giant ball of testosterone. I don't really get how we expect these players to be animals for only game time. There isn't an on/off switch. In the hours before a football game, I'm not sure these guys are fun to be around.
When did the NFL hire Paul Dee?
a year is way to harsh for someone who wasn't participating. The entire saints roster from 2009 should be suspended for a year if that's the precedent.
that's fair, but I'd still argue a one year suspension for lying is excessive.
The Bush Curse...
and once again, he's long gone before the $h!t hits the fan.
I guess considering the heavy handed treatment of Jerome Harrison he was kind of backed into a corner.
Or maybe it's all a racist plot because the city of New Orleans has such a high % of black people.
As I posted in the other thread, there a three components to this. 1) Bounties, 2) Cover up, 3) Intention to defy NFL by continuing the program
From the official statement:
"The NFL's extensive investigation established the existence of an active bounty program on the Saints during the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons in violation of league rules, A DELIBERATE EFFORT TO CONCEAL THE PROGRAM'S EXISTENCE FROM LEAGUE INVESTIGATORS and a clear determination to maintain the program despite express direction from Saints ownership that it stop as well as ongoing inquiries from the league office."
Clearly they thought Payton was complicit in all three of those components. And I guarantee you, the last two were bigger than the first. Goodell has sent a clear message to teams out there: DON'T FUCK WITH ME.
This post was edited by PenguinOfTroy89 2 years ago
agreed, Goodell is trying to send that message all over the league. So we should be clear, this is not about the punishment fitting the crime. Kind of like the NCAA and USC
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