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‘I give God 10%. Why do you get 18?’

  • Man claiming to be pastor leaves waiter note: ‘I give God 10%. Why do you get 18?’

    A man claiming to be a pastor apparently tried to stiff a waiter on a tip, explaining that his work for God absolved him of having to leave one.

    A photo of the receipt, posted to Reddit.com, shows a bill for $34.93 with an automatic 18 percent gratuity (or $6.29) added above a blank space for an additional tip.

    "I give God 10%," the diner wrote on the receipt, scratching out the automatic tip. "Why do you get 18?" He then wrote "Pastor" above his signature, and an emphatic "0" where the additional tip would be. (The automatic gratuity, however, had already been added to the total.)

    The Reddit user who submitted the image explained in the comments section that the receipt was part of a total bill for a party of 20, which is why the gratuity was automatically added.

    “Parties up to eight ... may tip whatever they’d like, but larger parties receive an automatic gratuity," the server wrote. "It’s in the computer, it’s not something I do.”

    The server added: “They had no problem with my service, and told me I was great. They just didn’t want to pay when the time came.”

    Scribbling notes on receipts has become something of a trend. Earlier this month, the manager of a North Carolina Red Robin surprised an overdue pregnant woman by comping her meal.

    “Once seated, a manager came up to us and started talking,” the woman's husband told Consumerist. “He was extremely friendly and jokingly asked my wife if this was her last meal before heading to the hospital."

    When the check came, a note from the manager next to her portion of the bill read: "MOM 2 BEE GOOD LUC."

    “It was a pleasant surprise and made my tired-of-being-pregnant wife a little more cheery," the man said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/pastor-tip-receipt-155914258.html

    There are a few responses to the Pastor's note that come to mind:

    1) Don't you mean that you contribute it to your church?

    2) God does not need money. I do.

    3) Because you serve God, but I served you.

    4) Because you will get crappy service next time if you do not tip me.

    This post was edited by Morethanafan 18 months ago

  • I wonder if the restaurant had a sign that said that they automatically add 18%? I've seen it in some when you have a party of 6 or more. But at $34 I doubt this was a large party. This seems very unusual.

    I would suspect that the rest. would need to have a sign near the check in as well as on the menu.

    This smells fishy. I would guess it was fabricated.

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  • The story says that it was a party of 20. According to the story, the bill was broken up.

  • My sister is a server in a restaurant and gets shorted on tips all the time. Very people leave fair tips these days, it seems.

    Recently she had a decent-sized party come in and spend nearly $200 (keep in mind this is NOT an expensive restaurant) - they left a detailed comment card saying how great she was but then gave her a $5 tip.

  • Wow!

    I usually leave a good tip. I had not been upset enough with service to short a waiter for a long time until recently. We (my wife, two children and I) got a bill at a Chinese Buffet that had "TIP NOT INCLUDED" stamped in big letters on it. I looked closer to see that they took an 18% "service fee." Adding in 18% at a buffet, where all they do is refill your drinks and pick up your empty plates, is chutzpah enough. Lying about it in an attempt to get more is unbelieveable. When I pointed it out, the person asked me incredulously: "you don't want to pay it?" I was angry and said "no." She corrected the bill and I left zero. She then commented about white people being cheap. I found that funny. Forgetting the fact that my wife, obviously Asian was there, most Chinese comment about how stingy Chinese are. I laughed loudly at her and she was not happy about my attitude. I thought, and if my children were not there would have told her, "my tip to you is to go fuck yourself."

  • I agree with you.

    But I do get irritated when they tell me that THEY will be adding 18% for me. One has to understand why they have to do that.
    In Hawaii its really bad. Half of their tourism comes from the Orient where the custom of tipping doesn't happen.

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  • Not doubting this story in particular - but how do we know people aren't just writing their own notes for the attention or because of a political agenda? Seems like a very easy way to manipulate people to me.

    This post was edited by phear_SC 18 months ago

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  • I should have read closer. I don't usually read long posts.

    There really aren't enough details to say how this went down. The side showing the slip is also the last one to hold the receipt and pen for writing anything on it.

    It could also possibly be someone trying to make Pastors look bad. It justs smells of more than what they are selling it as.

    I will say, that if it really was a pastor that did this. It was poor form in many ways. Even if the service was absolutely horrendous.

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  • I agree that if it is true it was wrong by the Pastor. I also agree with you and Phear that we do not know if this is true or someone is making it up. It could be a hoax for all we know.

  • Hmmmm, doesn't sound like the pastor was being a good servant to his community or representation of God's selflessness.

    I just caution everyone from making preconceived judgements about a person or his intent. Our own biases can distort the reality of situations.

  • Apparently, it is a true story:

    Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor complaining about auto-tip

    An Applebee's waitress who posted a receipt with a note from a pastor complaining about the automatic gratuity added to the bill on the Internet was fired on Wednesday after the pastor complained to her manager.

    Chelsea Welch, the waitress, wrote in an email to Yahoo News that the pastor (who has since been identified as Alois Bell) told Welch's manager at the St. Louis-area Applebee's that the ensuing firestorm had "ruined" her reputation.

    "I give God 10%," Bell wrote on the receipt, scratching out the automatic tip and scribbling in an emphatic "0" where the additional tip would be. "Why do you get 18?" (There were more than eight people in Bell's party, triggering the auto-tip.)

    Welch, who snapped a photo of the bill from a fellow server and uploaded to Reddit, defended her right to post the receipt. "I thought the note was insulting, but also comical," she told Consumerist.com. "And I thought other users would find it entertaining.”

    Bell, a pastor at Truth in the World Deliverance Ministries Church, was not amused, and she called Welch's manager to complain.

    “[It was] a lapse in my character and judgment,” Bell told the Smoking Gun, adding she did not expect her easily recognizable signature would be, as her friend informed her, “all over Yahoo. You went viral!”

    [Related: Pastor leaves waiter note on receipt: ‘I give God 10%. Why do you get 18?’]

    “My heart is really broken,” Bell added. “I’ve brought embarrassment to my church and ministry.”

    A spokesman for Applebee’s said it apologized to Bell for violating her "right to privacy" and confirmed that Welch “is no longer employed by the franchise."

    Welch was surprised that Applebee's fired her, "especially because there was nothing specific in the employee handbook admonishing this behavior."

    "I had no intention of starting a witch hunt or hurting anyone. I just wanted to share a picture I found interesting," she said. “I come home exhausted, sore, burnt, dirty and blistered on a good day. And after all that, I can be fired for ‘embarrassing’ someone who directly insults their server on religious grounds.”

    Welch also isn't buying Bell's embarrassment. “If this person wrote the note, obviously they wanted it seen by someone," she said. “I’ve been stiffed on tips before, but this is the first time I’ve seen the Big Man used as reasoning."

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/applebees-waitress-fired-pastor-receipt-193820748.html

    The Pastor gets the ultimate chutzpah award. The Pastor leaves this obnoxious note. The waitress puts it online. The Pastor is embarrassed by her own cheapness, stupidity and probably other characteristics. Pastor has the chutzpah to complain to Applebees and blames the waitress for her embarrassment. She is embarrassed by the truth. She is embarrassed that others found out what she did. So, blame the waitress. Of course, if the waitress had not put it online others would not have known, saving her embarrassment. However, the waitress merely disclosed the truth about what the Pastor intentionally did. Shoot the messenger. I think Applebees should have stood behind the waitress. The Pastor was the asshole here.

  • Its a mixed bag. Obviously the Pastor was in the wrong in this whole thing. However, there are privacy concerns that were breached by the waitress.

    Applebee's should have kept her employed but wrote her up.

    The Pastor needs to spend the time to get that waitress her job back. Then reflect on the example she just set for the world to see.

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  • The Pastor did the opposite. The Pastor complained about the waitress, apparently wanting her to be punished. I suspect that the Pastor is happy with the consequences that the waitress suffered. I wonder how much privacy a waitress owes a customer. Is it wrong to publicly mention how much a customer tips, especially when the tipper goes out of her way to put something out of the ordinary in a note with the zero tip? The Applebees handbook did not prohibit this.

    Another article says that the Pastor demanded that everyone involved, from the servers to the manager, be fired. How Christian of the Pastor. sarcasm

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/01/31/sanctimonious-pastor-alois-bell-applebees-customer-outed-as-a-cheapskate-and-demands-all-workers-employees-and-managers-fired/

    This post was edited by Morethanafan 18 months ago

  • What privacy concerns? It's not as if the waitress posted the lady's credit card number or address. If you don't want to get exposed as a cheapskate, don't go to a public place and leave a dickish note admonishing someone for a policy that they had no role in instituting.

    I have no sympathy for people who get called out for being assholes. It should happen more often, if you ask me - then maybe people would think twice before they act.

  • Its a private transaction that deserves privacy...period.

    The Pastor is one of those liberal pastors. And she didn't follow very much that is considered Christian by Christians.

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  • I disagree that a tip deserves privacy. Also, I believe that when she pulls a stunt like that, she gives up any claim to deserve privacy even if she had one to begin with.

    What does being a liberal Pastor have to do with this?

    Writing "period" does nothing to further the discussion. It adds no facts or logic.

    This post was edited by Morethanafan 17 months ago

  • I didn't see the slip. But I would think that Applebee's is required to maintain a certain amount confidentiality with a credit transaction. Maintaining privacy for their transaction with the customer. I don't care if she wrote the entire King James Bible on it. Its not for publication without permission.

    She does in fact come from a liberal thinking church. You already implied that it was very unchristian of her. Liberal churches tend to stray from traditional teaching in Christianity. I thought you might be interested to know what some of that unchristian behavior might be based in.

    Sorry about the "period". It was a common phrase in my family growing up. When you wanted to emphasis a point, you would say "period" at the end of the statement. To emphasize the end of my side of the discussion.

    This post was edited by sec13graphics 17 months ago

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  • The credit card number was not exposed. So, the fact that it was a credit transaction is not relevant. The issue is her tip. Regarding straying from Christian teaching, she admitted that what she did was very un-Christian. Apparently, what she did was not consistent with her church's teachings either (I would have guessed that anyway). Conservative and liberal Christians both stray. Would you consider the Catholic Church liberal (this is not rhetorical; I am not sure what is considered a liberal or conservative Christian church)? It had a very widespread scandle of Priests straying and Bishops and Cardinals covering up for them. I believe all churches/temples/mosques/etc. have their bad apples along with their good. The leaders are only human.

    This post was edited by Morethanafan 17 months ago

  • Applebee’s defends firing of waitress who posted pastor’s ‘God’ receipt

    Facing a public relations nightmare over the firing of a waitress who posted online a pastor's note complaining about an automatic gratuity, Applebee's released a lengthy statement on Facebook defending its actions on Friday.

    "The guests who visit Applebee’s—people like you—expect and deserve to be treated with professionalism and care in everything we do," read the statement. "That is a universal standard in the hospitality business. That includes respecting and protecting the privacy of every guest, which is why our franchisees who own and operate Applebee’s have strict policies to protect personal information—even guest’s names."

    The waitress, Chelsea Welch, posted the note from the pastor, Alois Bell, to Reddit.com earlier this week, igniting a firestorm of criticism aimed at the pastor.

    [Related: Applebee’s fires waitress who posted receipt from pastor]

    Also in its statement, Applebee's relayed the chain of events from its corporate perspective:

    - A guest questioned the tip automatically attached to her large party’s bill by writing: "I give God 10%. Why do you get 18?" on the check.

    - A different server, who did not even wait on the group, photographed the receipt, posted the photo online and commented about the incident.

    - The guest subsequently heard from friends who identified her from the posting, where her name is clearly visible, and the restaurant was notified. There was no further communication with the guest.

    - The team member was asked about posting the receipt and admitted she was responsible.

    - When she was hired, the team member was provided the franchisee’s employee hand book which includes their social media policy and states:

    "Employees must honor the privacy rights of APPLEBEE’s and its employees by seeking permission before writing about or displaying internal APPLEBEE’S happenings that might be considered to be a breach of privacy and confidentiality. This shall include, but not be limited to, posting of photographs, video, or audio of APPLEBEE’S employees or its customers, suppliers, agents or competitors, without first obtaining written approval from the Vice President of Operations. The policy goes on to specify: Employees who violate this policy will be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including termination of employment."

    "As a result of her admission to violating a clear company policy intended to safeguard guests," the statement continued, "the team member is no longer employed by the franchisee."

    It concluded: "Our franchisees are committed to acting in the best interests of guests and team members. This is a regrettable situation and we wish it had never happened. However, the disregard for an important policy left the franchisee no choice but to take the action they did."

    In an email to Yahoo News last Thursday, Welch, the waitress, wrote that Bell complained to her manager at the St. Louis-area Applebee's that the firestorm had "ruined" her reputation, and that she was terminated without a written warning.

    As for Bell, she had told the Smoking Gun that the note she had written was "a lapse in my character and judgment,” adding she did not expect her easily recognizable signature would be, as her friend informed her, “'all over Yahoo. You went viral!'”

    “My heart is really broken,” Bell had added. “I’ve brought embarrassment to my church and ministry.”

    Many, though, feel Welch did not deserve to be fired.

    A Facebook group demanding her reinstatement, HIRE BACK CHELSEA, has generated more than 5,000 likes since its launch on Thursday. A Change.org petition, Give Chelsea Welch her job back, was launched Friday.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/applebees-defends-firing-waitress-pastor-receipt-192100973.html

    Applebees is getting the blowback it deserves. It was stupid. It did not care about an employee and put an asshole customer first. By doing that, they pissed off far more customers. They should have learned from Darden that people care how restauratns treat their employees. Many people served tables when they were younger and have empathy for those people.

    The waitress claimed that she read the employees handbook and that she did not see anything against what she did before she did it. Applebees quoted language from the handbook that it is claiming she violated. However, what she did does not violate anything in the quote from the handbook. I.e., Applebees is claiming that she violated that policy. The fact is, she didn't. The first part of the quoted language only discusses the privacy of Applebees and its employees. The second part only discusses pictures and videos of specified people. The receipt is not any of the people. In fact, it is not a person at all. Applebees would have done better factually to have left that quote from its handbook out. I suspect that they are hoping that people do not look at the language carefully.

  • I used to work restaurants while in college to pay for my food and rent. The paycheck is minimum wage and I worked hard to make people satisfied so I can take home a decent amount. I had to pay sales tax on every table, so when I saw those 10% tips come my way it was like I got nothing but a slap in the face.

    To Mrs Holier than thou I give you a big FUCK YOU! She's probably eating a chefs butt sweat as I type.

    Oh yeah, fuck you too Applebee's! First restaurant I ever worked at was Chilis. Worst chain restaurant I ever worked at and the last. Managers were corporate buttholes with absolutely no dignity. I hope Mike enjoyed my dirty rag in his face.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by DF1982 17 months ago

  • Could this be Pastor be more pharasaic if she tried? I believe waiters at Applebees count among the meek and the least amongst us. Time this Pastor read her Matthew's Gospel again.

    What is it with people being so cheap these days? Whether its tips, taxes or simply remembering to get your round of drinks at the bar! Ho hum...

    http://ckmurray.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/unique-economics-of-healthcare.html

  • "Pharasaic" is an interesting word. Do you know the origin?

  • Presumably from the Pharasees? Differed with the Saducees as regards to burial rights, mainly, if I recall, although the details of the differences elude me.

    http://ckmurray.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/unique-economics-of-healthcare.html

  • SdotK

    I've honestly never understood the point of tipping.. The restaurant pays you to do your job so why should I have to pay for my food and pay you extra on top of that?! When I get my haircut I already pay you for the service why exactly should I pay you even more when I'm getting a twenty dollar cut to begin with?! I don't get paid extra for doing my job.

  • It's because waiters and waitresses are a service, not just window order takers. They also have to pay sales tax on all their tables so if you don't tip they make much less than minimum wage. Oh yeah, serving people who are anal about their food is much harder than you think. They are letting you sit down and relax while they work their tales off making sure you're satisfied and comfortable no matter how ridiculous your peculiarities are.

    You really aren't paying for the service on the bill, you are paying for the food. Case in point, dont tip your waiter and then come by the next day with the same waiter and see how great your service will be.

    This post was edited by DF1982 17 months ago