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All this fucking goofing around...to get to where everybody knows we are going to go.
Huffington Post 4:30 pm Eastern Time-"Republican senators leaving a GOP conference meeting Sunday afternoon told reporters that they are dropping chained CPI from their fiscal cliff proposal.
"CPI has to be off the table because it's not a winning argument to say benefits for seniors versus tax breaks for rich people," said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). "We need to take CPI off the table -- that's not part of the negotiations -- because we can't win an argument that has Social Security for seniors versus taxes for the rich."
"There's a realization that in spite of the president's apparent endorsement of a chained CPI, that that proposal deserves more study," said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine). "My guess, based on what Democrats are saying, is that that reform would not happen during this stage of the negotiations."
"I don't think anybody ever expected Social Security to be part of this," said Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas). "It's all going to be about taxes of some kind or another."
The Annoying Orange-John Boehner could have had a much better deal then this.
When we were having the negotiations on the Debt Ceiling, Boehner walked away from a deal that would have involved $4 trillion in deficit reduction, with $1.2 trillion (just 30 percent) of that coming from new revenue.
We ended up with the super committee and the mess we are in now. Boehner apparently wanted to go back to that offer. Obama said obviously that offer was no longer operational.
Now he could have an solution to this where the vote would pass if he would simply bring the current offer to the floor. But fearful of losing his job, he won't.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by D A Stankovich 19 months ago
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I prefer the fiscal cliff to any of the proposals that have been put forth to date. None of the proposals solve any of our fiscal problems or improve the economy. That is how ridiulous these discussions have been.
A small recession now is better than a major fiscal crisis down the road. So, anyone who tries to make drama over the small items up for negotiate now are totally clueless.
What has social security got to do with the deficit? Besides nothing. Even Ronald Reagan noted that back on October 7, 1984.
"Reagan said, “Social Security, let’s lay it to rest once and for all… Social security has nothing to do with the deficit. Social Security is totally funded by the payroll tax levied on employer and employee. If you reduce the outgo of Social Security, that money would not go into the general fund or reduce the deficit. It would go into the Social Security Trust Fund. So Social Security has nothing to do with balancing a budget or raising or lowering the deficit.”"
Medicare runs a deficit because of the cost of health care in the United States. If the costs go down as hoped..then that takes care of itself.
And fo that matter none of the Republicans have mentioned with dealing with Medicare Part D which is the part of Medicare that threatens to blow open the deficit. And who came up with that idea? Why that real man of Genius George W Bush?
Look if you are concerned about the deficit as you claim, get your people to quit playing games. The fact that Lindsay Graham would even mention this today on the Sunday Talk Shows, says that the GOP still hasn't got the message of the election. The fact that time was wasted on this shit is again a sign of the same thing. Their desire to cut benefits on the middle class is a greater driver of their negotiation tactics then a concern with the deficit.
Form McConnell's fear of Ashley Judd, Boehner's fear of losing his speakership (He has got to be the worst speaker ever. He can't control his caucus!) and dilly dallying over cutting the benefits of those who can least afford it over those who can are again putting the nation's fiscal situation at risk. The GOP will take the blame again...as they did last time.
Its time to quit this bullshit.
At the first Reagan-Mondale debate in 1984, Reagan set the record straight about Social Security.
Credit to Bill Scher and the Campaign for America's Future for unearthing this quote from Reagan. http://www.ourfuture.org
This post was edited by D A Stankovich 19 months ago
I'm not sure what kind of cuts you are looking for, Non defense descretionary spending is at historically low levels. But we have wasted hours of time over a fight over a chained consumer price index. Overtime, the chained CPI would cause cuts to benefits like Social Security that Democrats have tried to protect.
And again Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit. So I would ask Conservatives, why are we wasting time on it? Take a look at the offers that have been made. (See the chart) as noted by Ezra Klein, Obama has moved far further then the GOP on this.
"From its first offer to its last offer, the White House has dropped its ask on taxes by about $350 billion. It raised the proposed spending cuts — including reduced spending on interest — by $400 billion. It dropped the demand on stimulus from $425 billion to $175 billion. It dropped the demand to end the debt-ceiling forever entirely.
Boehner has increased his offer on taxes by about $150 billion. He’s dropped his spending cuts by $375 billion. He’s never offered significant stimulus. He’s never offered a major concession on the debt ceiling.
So in every category, Obama has moved further towards Boehner than Boehner moved towards Obama. And yet, it’s Boehner who walked from the talks with his plan B, failed to pass it, and then handed the problem off to the Senate."-Ezra Klein Wonkblog...
If this doesn't tell me how low the GOP has sunk. I don't know what does.
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Austerity is not a good idea. Either.
"23,000 British police officers and staff earn 2nd income, some ‘working as vicars and pole dancers’
"More than 23,000 British police officers and staff earn a second income from non-police work, a rise of nearly 20 percent in a year, a newspaper reported on Sunday.
Second job titles include vicar, pole-dancing teacher, pallbearer, ski instructor, ice-cream salesman and medium, the Mail on Sunday reported."
Figures released by London’s Metropolitan Police showed that the force included 104 part-time photographers, 60 entertainers including magicians, and 23 hair and beauty therapists."
What are we looking at now? 30 hours until we go over the cliff, unless a deal is reached?
Something like that. And all because of Republican Bullshit.
All of this is so unnecessary. Charles Krauthammer noted their arrogance during the Debt limit negotiations. They could have had a great deal. But, they assumed they were going to win the election, so they dug in. Now the Tea Partiers are putting the Annoying Orange back in the same position and he cowers in the corner.
Nancy Pelosi never lost a vote! She knew how to lead!
These Morons couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag.
They wasted the greater part of a day fighting over something irrelevant to what they claim is their main goal anyway!
Same old, same old...you blame Repubs for all the ills of humanity. Your President and Harry Reid offer nothing other than the blame game which you like to use as well.
Is this a joke? Tax bills are supposed to originate in the House. The President and Reid do not lead the House. By the way, the Senate DID pass a tax bill under Reid's leadership. McConnell did not filibuster it, because he admitted that he believed it was unconstitutional because it originated in the House. If it were voted on in the House, it would almost certainly pass. However, Boehner is not allowing it to come to a vote.
The President did offer a proposal that actually passed the Senate and would pass the House if Boehner allowed it to come to a vote. Boehner, driven by the most conservative in his caucus, are driving us over the cliff. Democrats have zero to do with it. In fact, the cliff was created when conservatives refused, for the first time in our history, to raise the debt celining. I.e., conservatives insisted on creating this cliff, before compelling us to drive over it. Many conservatives, including those on this board, have claimed that they want us to go over the cliff.
Republicans force the cliff to be created. Republicans claim that they want us to go over it. Republicans compel us to go over it. In what way can this be spun, even by the looniest of partisan conservatives, to be a failure by Democrats?
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Morethanafan 19 months ago
If we go over the cliff, the public is going to see Republicans as being most at fault. I'm not sure Metro understands this.
I think we should print more money. That would save us but good!
Join the fight for YOUR liberty!
It sounds like there is a potential deal in place, but the House will not vote on the bill today.
It is time for Obama to pull out some type of executive privilege power that puts off any changes to spending and taxes for 48 hours. People will cry foul. Tell them to impeach him if they have a problem with what he has done. The people will be with Obama.
This post was edited by cstory80 19 months ago
Hell... I wanted them to let a bill come to the floor. And quit curling up into wiggly little balls because the fact that taxes for the wealthy are going to go up.
And quit wasting our time chasing after stuff that has no relevance to the issue.
Social Security Payments? Really?
Like they say on ESPN C'MON MAN!
I work on that show.
Boehner constantly kooks like a fucking retard with that stupid tanning bullshit. It boggles my mind that no one ever let him know how stupid he looks.
And I'm a Republican.
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Those MIDDLE CLASS Bush tax cuts live on .......
LMAO .....the liberals lie and spin lie and spin but in the end the MIDDLE CLASS still benifits from these tax cuts.
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