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I had an interesting conversation with Mrs. Troybill tonight. I told her that I felt the majority of college professors are more liberal than conservative in their political philosophy. She is a teacher by trade and feels that her professors for her CEUs were not liberal. I asked her how did she know? I quoted a couple of studies that show that the revealed that there are probably more professors that identify with the liberal view than conservative view. What say you all?
Well, I only went to JC but they were certainly liberal there from what I recall( Fullerton and Irvine Valley JC's). I have a few friends that teach at JC's ..I would say of those 2 ( one went to UC DAVIS and the other CSUF)..they are a split..ne liberal one conservative ( the Davis guy) . I have heard most are without a doubt liberal from various sources and from many on this site and from what I have seen and recall from WeR.
This post was edited by icky trojan 23 months ago
Feelings get hurt, best not to have any!
I know about 15 teachers, friends and fam.... all Libs one conserv. The three college Profs(Fam), hardcore hardcore Libs.
I know a bunch. They vary. But ideology tends to be a function of income more than anything else. That said, professors also tend to leave a lot of money on the table in the private sector in order to teach, so their post-material alleigances would probably skew more left too. The reductive 'all professors are left-wing and trying to indoctrinate our kids' is both untrue and unfair, but the academy probably leans center-left.
“Close tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share,” Reagan vowed.
Also dismissing stuff by professors when you do know their ideology is really dumb. Empirical work is a pretty hard to get by anywhere on ideological grounds. My two main collaborators on work stuff are a libertarian and a social conservative.
Also there is a skew by field. Engineering and business are probably more right-wing, political science and economics pretty centrist, and English and the languages more left-wing. It's a huge generalization but whatever...
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A new study looks at why so many liberals want to be professors.
A -1 for that? Really? Some people really need to learn what that button is for.
Most are very liberal/left (not classical liberal). If the the professor says something that is not liberal/left, some students will assume that the teacher must be a right wing conservative, simply because they are so used to hearing liberal/left ideology from their professors. It is unfortunate that it is so commonplace for teachers to interject their political opinions to their students, in most cases that is not the material that the students are paying to learn.
I've been teaching at the college level since the 60's. Back then in my profession you were either a Marxist, a liberal or a conservative. Today many of those who call themselves progressives (and often liberals) are in many ways neo-Marxists.
In the 60's I was a liberal, today I'm a conservative.
Politics never consciously enter into what I say in class because my job is to teach a subject, not to indoctrinate students.
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Of the college teachers I had that revealed their leaning I'd say it was about 9 out of 10 liberal (and 5 or 6 of those were extremely liberal). I had a political science teacher spend an entire semester telling us how much better socialism is than what we have in the US (her name was Thoudolou at CSUN).
I worked at a high school while I was in college and tehre the teachers were much more open about their politics and there was one conservative (the athletic director). Every other teacher that I could get a feel for was far left. The administrators were more of an even mix.
The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen - Dennis Prager
My advice...stop pretending that the votes mean anything.
Interesting exchange between a teacher and student in North Carolina. (high school)
“Didn’t Obama bully somebody, though?”
The teacher started to get angry and said:
“Not to my knowledge.”
A couple of students relayed the story about Obama admitting that he bullied someone when he was younger. And that seemed to light the fuse on his teacher’s anger. A couple of the students exchanged words with the angry teacher.
“Stop! Stop! Because there’s no comparison. He’s running for president. Obama is the president.”
As one student attempted to argue for a fair, two-sided debate on the history of the candidates, he was shouted down and talked over by the teacher. She continued:
“You got to realize, this man is wanting to be what Obama is. There’s no comparison.”
Once again, the students pressed for equal discussion of the histories of both men, with one saying:
“If you’re gonna talk trash about one side, you gotta talk trash about the other.”
The teacher just seemed to dig her heels in deeper and press her defense of Obama telling the defiant teen:
“You will not disrespect the president of the United States in this classroom.”
Again the student persisted and invoked his First Amendment right.
“I’ll say what I want.”
The still unidentified teacher read the student her rules…her Obama rules.
“Not about him, you won’t!”
The back and forth continued and the most strident of the two students reminded his teacher that President Bush was constantly treated to negative statements about him while he was in office:
“Whenever Bush was president, everybody talked sh-t about him.”
To which the teacher responded:
“Because he was sh-tty.”
The social studies educator went on for a full minute with more ranting, saying that people were arrested for saying derogatory things about President Bush. The student correctly reminded the teacher that opinions are protected, but you cannot be arrested unless you threaten the president.
Our research has not turned up a single case of anyone in America being arrested for speaking ill of former President Bush. The local newspaper story also mentioned that their discussions about the story with a political science professor could not recall the arrests that the teacher was speaking about.
North Rowan High School Teacher defends Obama in front of students. Don't disrespect The President!!!
Yeah, Apaulinias already posted this on another thread. Shouldn't extrapolate from one teacher, so not quite sure why everyone cares so much. I had plenty of conservative teachers who would talk to us about what they believe. I enjoyed it. Made me think. I make a point out of leaving politics out of the classroom and giving students access to the best arguments, whether left, right or unclassifiable and asking them to take each equally seriously. Again it's a weird thing here. Teachers unions in Britain or pretty much anywhere are very left-wing but it is only in the States where there is this paranoia of indoctrination. At the university level it is especially striking: no one gets upset with schools like Baylor and Romney can give a major speech at Liberty and..........crickets....
What political leanings of professors I could glean at CSUN were mildly left-leaning to Marxist.
Tangerine Tech: pretty even split, but I wasn't paying attention
UC Santa Cruz: um, yeah, pretty obvious
Sac State: vastly hard left. I was there for a long time (two teaching licenses and a master's degree) and I honestly can't remember any conservative or even centrist views.
As my Dad was a university professor, I'd say maybe 10% of the professors he hung out with were right. The vast majority that I met were left or Marxist.
My aunt and uncle who teach at Berkeley are very left, not Marxist though. The majority of their friends are left.
Overall, I'd say the vast majority of academicians are either left-leaning or hard left.
7 out of of every 8 commencement speeches were given by liberals this year alone. This teacher in the above situation is all too common...it is the norm, not the exception.
It doesn't matter what they believe- they have a right to that- but how it is expressed. I doubt 7 out of 8 (or even 1 out of 8) actually act like that. I am lucky to know quite a few teachers but I doubt very much they are the few good eggs.
Wait, this was a High School teacher, right? They don't have commencement speakers, do they?
I know of one professor at USC who is a Marxist. One. And I know perhaps one or two professors in the social sciences, tops, who could be classified as very left-wing. Everyone else is pretty much centrist, libertarian or center-right or just apolitical. Indeed political debate amongst the faculty is quite close to the students: most don't really care all that much. At the graduate level we have spirited debates across the spectrum (but, again, most don't care) and it is never an issue with working with everyone because science doesn't respect bias. In the business school I know a number of pretty right-wing professors but they teach well. Certainly curricula reflect an array of different approaches.And there are voices from across the spectrum on campus, which means students are exposed to different points of view. At Brown and at Baylor I doubt this is as much the case, for example.
basically, it's a non-issue apart from on extreme
From my understanding educations types tend toward liberal. Granted there are plenty oddballs haha. US politics piss me off an infinite amount, having to choose between two parties is too damn narrow minded
I should have started a separate paragraph. Two different responses. One was to show that a report just came and did note that 7 out of every 8 commencement speaker in 2011 and 2012 at Universities and Colleges were liberal.
The second sentence directly related to the situation in NC. Dissent against His Majesty is not tolerated by leftist teachers that dominate the public school arena.
That study is over 5 years old...I am sure the number is higher than 85% liberal now
Oh, Ok. My bad. I get easily confused!
For the first, I guess it depends who's doing the classifying. But most commencement speeches are normally the same warmed-over pablum.
Teachers in North Carolina are all like that? I find it hard to believe. Especially because of unlimited corporate money has let one crazed lunatic turn the state hard-right:
If that was the case, that's dumb. The teachers I have met in California, thankfully, are nothing like that. I had hard-right teachers, anarchist teachers (ironically he headed up our combined cadet corps at school) etc. We knew their politics. They were open about it. And we learned a lot. Shouting kids down, though, in this one-off situation is dumb. Clearly.
Most are liberal. It's not even close.
Cry Havoc; and let slip the dogs of war!
Do you still believe in God and free will? LOL.
Where would you place Renteln (sp?)?
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