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Will USC go after any PSU players?

  • It says that any player transfers will not count against the new teams totals.

    Did I read that right?

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  • sec13graphics said...

    It says that any player transfers will not count against the new teams totals.

    Did I read that right?

    I doubt it would matter for a team that is on Probation with a lessened allotment of players

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  • Most of the current PSU players were not heavily recruited by USC, or had much contact with USC staff. OTOH, the 2013 class has a couple of 2013 recruits that USC tracked before their commitment, but they would count against the 2013 limits of 18, and are QB and OT, perhaps not the greatest need for USC at this time. It would be nice to pickup their RB, who has two years remaining and rushed over 1000 years last year, but I don't think he was on USC's radar at the time of his recruitment either.

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  • pdxtroy said...

    Most of the current PSU players were not heavily recruited by USC, or had much contact with USC staff. OTOH, the 2013 class has a couple of 2013 recruits that USC tracked before their commitment, but they would count against the 2013 limits of 18, and are QB and OT, perhaps not the greatest need for USC at this time. It would be nice to pickup their RB, who has two years remaining and rushed over 1000 years last year, but I don't think he was on USC's radar at the time of his recruitment either.

    I don't think it means much that USC didn't recruit kids initially. We've seen several cases where an unrecruited player goes off to an obscure school and develops into a USC caliber player. See Lofa Tatupu, Vic Rakshani, and Calvin Sweeney.

    Flyerz73

  • I believe it won't count against us for the initial year if we take a PSU player but it counts against us the following year. Not worth it IMO.

    duuhdadada

  • I guess anything's possible.

    However, even though a PSU player wouldn't count against a program's scholarship limit currently, that scholarship WOULD count in a subsequent year - no exceptions, and it's unclear what time frame or how many years/seasons that would need to take place.

    I just don't see the NCAA allowing a program under sanction or on probation to participate in this transfer rule.

    This post was edited by Trojan Conquest on 7/23/2012 at 11:14 AM

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  • duuhdadada said...

    I believe it won't count against us for the initial year if we take a PSU player but it counts against us the following year. Not worth it IMO.

    it is if we add seniors for depth just for this season.

    This post was edited by Myk13 on 7/23/2012 at 11:25 AM

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  • If players don't count toward as an initial counter and USC can go over the limit with no balancing out in the future, I have nothing against USC taking players from PSU, even if they were never initially recruited by USC.

    There is talk that if USC goes to say 76 this year, they have to play at 74 next year. This wouldn't be that bad for USC as we might be at 74 anyway and it is worthwhile if the player you are getting can make a huge impact this year.

    If Silas Redd is willing to transfer to USC, you take him even if you play at 74 next year.

    TrojanMindSC

  • Im not sure we take anyone other than SR's. Alot of what were doing recruting wise can be based on the oppurtunity to play earlier. So I dont se them bringing in players that may disrupt the momentum estanlished with commited prospects.

    TrojanFootsteps

  • I know they say that college football is a business and as such emotion should not enter into the decision making process...that being said I remember how we fans felt when other teams came in and tried/did take our players when we were facing the bowl ban. I know it is a different situation at PSU but I still don't feel like it is the right thing to do. Do unto others....

    slug72

  • We should go after Jordan Hill (DT), Sean Stanley (DE), Silas Redd (RB), and Pete Massaro (DE). Redd is a great player that provides us with some much needed upperclassmen depth at RB, and being a junior he might leave early and not be counted against our scholarship limit ever. The other three are senior lineman, there's no reason why we shouldn't be offering them as their scholarships will never count against our limit and they provide depth on the defensive line.

    This post was edited by USC_4_Ever on 7/23/2012 at 11:59 AM

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  • slug72 said...

    I know they say that college football is a business and as such emotion should not enter into the decision making process...that being said I remember how we fans felt when other teams came in and tried/did take our players when we were facing the bowl ban. I know it is a different situation at PSU but I still don't feel like it is the right thing to do. Do unto others....

    You mean offering them a top-tier education and a fresh start on a perennial national-championship contending program that sends the most guys to the NFL and consistently attracts the most pro scout and media attention?

    Ya, we're better than that.

    elum07

  • Flyerz73 said...

    I don't think it means much that USC didn't recruit kids initially. We've seen several cases where an unrecruited player goes off to an obscure school and develops into a USC caliber player. See Lofa Tatupu, Vic Rakshani, and Calvin Sweeney.

    My point is that USC has had no or very little contact or relationship with the current PSU players in past recruitment cycles, as compared to Pittsburgh, WV, tOSU who recruited these players, are close in proximity and know these players. As for late developing players, Lofa had an advantage his Dad, a great Trojan, sent his tapes to USC, and he was a recognized commodity only in the NE.

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  • pdxtroy said...

    My point is that USC has had no or very little contact or relationship with the current PSU players in past recruitment cycles, as compared to Pittsburgh, WV, tOSU who recruited these players, are close in proximity and know these players. As for late developing players, Lofa had an advantage his Dad, a great Trojan, sent his tapes to USC, and he was a recognized commodity only in the NE.

    The point is well taken. It's highly unlikely that current Penn State athletes will jump to SC, given the recruiting dynamics and geography. Over the past 4 years Penn State has only signed 2-3 kids from the west coast, and none from california. I would guess ND, Ohio St. and Michigan would be the biggest beneficiaries of an open transfer window.

    I'd be very surprised if SC got more than 1 kid to come out west, and wouldn't be surprised if none of them did - even with all that SC has to offer.

    This post was edited by elum07 on 7/23/2012 at 12:17 PM

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  • pdxtroy said...

    My point is that USC has had no or very little contact or relationship with the current PSU players in past recruitment cycles, as compared to Pittsburgh, WV, tOSU who recruited these players, are close in proximity and know these players. As for late developing players, Lofa had an advantage his Dad, a great Trojan, sent his tapes to USC, and he was a recognized commodity only in the NE.

    That's a valid point. I think USC's best arguments are to point to the reality of the quality of the team this season, and to sell the type of offense (regarding Redd). If he wants a good place to continue to develop THIS SEASON in preparation for the NFL, then he should look at USC.

    This post was edited by Flyerz73 on 7/23/2012 at 12:40 PM

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  • elum07 said...

    You mean offering them a top-tier education and a fresh start on a perennial national-championship contending program that sends the most guys to the NFL and consistently attracts the most pro scout and media attention?

    Ya, we're better than that.

    If they come to us fine, and all USC fans could quote the advantages we have, but there is a difference between being receptive/accomodating and being vultures.

    slug72

  • They should offer all the seniors with ANY talent

    Gr8ytHunter

  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    They should offer all the seniors with ANY talent

    The rumor is that for every scholarship you go over the limit this year, you have to be under next year.

    Also have to take into consideration that transfers MIGHT count as initial counters.

    Playing at 77 or 77 this year and below 75 next year is only worth it if that player will have a major impact.

    TrojanMindSC

  • TrojanMindSC said...

    The rumor is that for every scholarship you go over the limit this year, you have to be under next year.

    Also have to take into consideration that transfers MIGHT count as initial counters.

    Playing at 77 or 77 this year and below 75 next year is only worth it if that player will have a major impact.

    Silas Redd would be worth it.

    Rixxs

  • Rixxs said...

    Silas Redd would be worth it.

    +1

    Please, please, please let this be a real possibility. pray

    We desperately need depth at RB. Adding a back like Silas Redd who's proven to be one of the best in the nation, would be epic. IIRC, as a recruit he seemed to be a decent kid, I remember him seeming very intelligent and well-spoken in interviews from the US Army game.

    This post was edited by QuestionEvry on 7/23/2012 at 2:39 PM

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  • TrojanMindSC said...

    The rumor is that for every scholarship you go over the limit this year, you have to be under next year.

    If true, that makes no sense.

    If you take 10 players, your roster is 95, so next year you can only have 75 ?

    If you took any players, that would be like putting your own program under sanctions to take them.

    Gr8ytHunter

  • But you arent taking a flyer on a Juco or unproven high schooler. Youre probably going to take someone with immediate 3 year impact, so in reality, thats one less player you really need for that time unless an injury arises. I'm banking that the majority of these kids go to the lower tiered conferences or Div 2 schools. I didnt see their team being filled with impact players across the board.

    Its the seniors that are going to get screwed, because why would you take a player for 1 year and then have to be under the next after he is gone? No one on that team is a MNC game changer.

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  • Penn State roster...

    http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/psu-m-footbl-mtt.html

    http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/penn-state-football-players-where-they-should-transfer

    This post was edited by tirebiter on 7/23/2012 at 4:14 PM

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  • Gr8ytHunter said...

    If true, that makes no sense.

    If you take 10 players, your roster is 95, so next year you can only have 75 ?

    If you took any players, that would be like putting your own program under sanctions to take them.

    No one is forcing a school to take 10 players. Some schools might think that 1 year of HUGE advantage is worth 1 year of a huge disadvantage.

    More than likely you will see 1 or 2 players go to the same school and this seems to be the fairest way to do it for the sake of the kid.

    TrojanMindSC