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We Just Became the Pac-12's Worst Nightmare...

  • TrojanMindSC said...

    I'll say it again - Isi Sofele of CAL had better stats without the threat of a passing attack.

    Sofele = 252 carries 1322 yds 5.2 avg 56 long 10 TD's
    Redd= 244 1241 5.1 42 7

    Cal's top 2 receivers:
    Keenan Allen 98 1343 13.7 90 longest (TD) 6
    Marvin Jones 62 846 13.6 51 (TD) 3

    PSU's top 2 receivers:

    Derek Moye 40 654 16.4 74 (TD) 3
    Justin Brown 35 517 14.8 69 (TD) 2

    If Cal was "without the threat of a passing attack"...how would you classify PSU's lack of diversity on offense?

    Also, Penn State played against FIVE of the top 15 scoring defenses in all of college football, while Cal played against one top 25 scoring defense.

    brdcstr1

  • TrojanMindSC said...

    I expect Redd to average about 10 carries a game.

    Based upon what?

    Even though he was nicked up quite a bit last year, Marc Tyler averaged 13 carries a game last season. Why wouldn't Redd get at least that, if not more?

    brdcstr1

  • The question is do you want pure blowouts or a mild stomping with the second or third string that could torch you just like the frist group.

    God!, it feels good not to the coach of the team or fanbase that either has to witness or let alone motivate a team, when they stare at the scoreboard an it's usc by a shit-ton of double digit points.

    Boy this squad is down right nasty....even before Redd put the cherry on top for the whole year.

    (Just look at my sig to know, How I feel for the season)

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    No.

    Your turn.lol

    Oh, sure... you'll argue with Chorizo, but not me?

    RichSC

  • brdcstr1 said...

    Based upon what?

    Even though he was nicked up quite a bit last year, Marc Tyler averaged 13 carries a game last season. Why wouldn't Redd get at least that, if not more?

    That's exactly my view.

    RichSC

  • RichSC said...

    Oh, sure... you'll argue with Chorizo, but not me?

    Alright Rich, let's do this...reluctantly.

    Will you still respect me in the morning?

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  • TrojanMindSC said...

    If you don't think the coaches were desperate for RB depth, explain moving a LB that they raved about as an All-America type at LB who started a game as a FR and 5-star WR recruit who has looked outstanding in summer sessions to RB. Those are the moves a staff that is so concerned with depth at a certain position will make.

    I'm having difficulty understanding why the feasibility of Redd being a co #1 AND USC being desperate for RB depth are mutually exclusive concepts?

    In other words, just because we ARE desperate for RB depth, why is it not feasible that he could/would share the carries?

    brdcstr1

  • RichSC said...

    Oh, sure... you'll argue with Chorizo, but not me?

    Its cause you're doing it all wrong, Rich. You're supposed to disagree with someone else, call them wrong, then he puts on his internet police badge and jumps in.

    ChorizoV

  • brdcstr1 said...

    Sofele = 252 carries 1322 yds 5.2 avg 56 long 10 TD's Redd= 244 1241 5.1 42 7

    Cal's top 2 receivers: Keenan Allen 98 1343 13.7 90 longest (TD) 6 Marvin Jones 62 846 13.6 51 (TD) 3

    PSU's top 2 receivers:

    Derek Moye 40 654 16.4 74 (TD) 3 Justin Brown 35 517 14.8 69 (TD) 2

    If Cal was "without the threat of a passing attack"...how would you classify PSU's lack of diversity on offense?

    Also, Penn State played against FIVE of the top 15 scoring defenses in all of college football, while Cal played against one top 25 scoring defense.

    I wouldn't call CAL a great passing team, but you're right they are better than PSU, but the argument is still the same. There are plenty of RBs who put up better or similar numbers to Redd on very bad passing teams - John White of Utah, Vic Ballard of Mississippi State, Helu of Neb for example. LSU and Alabama likely saw 9 in the box too.

    The bottom line is Redd's stats on a YPC and runs over 10 yards aren't very impressive. He also didn't show great speed with a long run of 42 yards.

    Also, the whole idea of who faces better defenses becomes a circular argument because it doesn't take into account how good opponents are offensively. It is the same argument that PAC12 fans have with SEC fans - we say they can't pass the ball or run an offense in the SEC inflating their defensive statistics and they say we don't play D, inflating our offensive statistics.

    TrojanMindSC

  • TrojanMindSC said...

    I wouldn't call CAL a great passing team, but you're right they are better than PSU, but the argument is still the same. There are plenty of RBs who put up better or similar numbers to Redd on very bad passing teams - John White of Utah, Vic Ballard of Mississippi State, Helu of Neb for example. LSU and Alabama likely saw 9 in the box too.

    The bottom line is Redd's stats on a YPC and runs over 10 yards aren't very impressive. He also didn't show great speed with a long run of 42 yards.

    Also, the whole idea of who faces better defenses becomes a circular argument because it doesn't take into account how good opponents are offensively. It is the same argument that PAC12 fans have with SEC fans - we say they can't pass the ball or run an offense in the SEC inflating their defensive statistics and they say we don't play D, inflating our offensive statistics.

    Party pooper..

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  • brdcstr1 said...

    Based upon what?

    Even though he was nicked up quite a bit last year, Marc Tyler averaged 13 carries a game last season. Why wouldn't Redd get at least that, if not more?

    Marc Tyler didn't average 13 carries a game when McNeal become a starter. After McNeal become the starter (and removing the Stanford game in which Tyler only got 1 run), Tyler averaged under 10 carries per game with a lot of it being wildcat.

    If you're looking at last years rushing attempts, USC ran the ball around 28 times a game. Even if McNeal and Redd split 50/50, thats only 14 rushes per game each. It would be pretty foolish having a RB that averaged close to 7 YPC with much more speed run the ball as many times as a RB who averaged 5.1 YPC without the ability to take it to the house.

    I think we all saw how much better our offense was last year once McNeal became the starter.

    TrojanMindSC

  • RichSC said...

    ...for opposing defensive coordinators. I guarantee you, they really, REALLY didn't want to see this transfer happen.

    Now you're adding a physical, downfield RB who has terrific vision and good instincts to an incumbent RB with similar attributes who rang up 1,000 yards in part-time duty last season. If Lane Kiffin is willing to commit to the running game-- and I think he's capable of that despite clearly being a passing-game specialist-- then we're going to wear teams down this season and really put DC's in a horrible dilemma. Do I bring an extra body or two into the box to help stuff the rushing attack and leave people like Robert Woods and Marqise Lee and Randal Telfer singled up on the outside? Or do I focus my energy on crowding the pass routes with extra DB's and let Redd and McNeal pound us relentlessly? Not good.

    An additional benefit is that Redd's presence allows DJ Morgan to be brought along more slowly, and perhaps spark his emergence as a great 3rd-down catalyst, as well. It also takes some pressure off both Morgan and Buck Allen should anything (knock wood) happen to McNeal. (I should state now that I believe in both of these young players. Allen looked good to me in the Spring Huddle and Morgan could become an explosive Pac-12 offensive weapon in the not-too-distant future.)

    Two great, sturdy RB's. Two of the best WR's in the college game. Two of the best young TE's in the college game (one a classic in-line player in Grimble; the other the epitome of a versatile matchup problem in Telfer). A young and talented OL whose sole question mark, Aundray Walker, played beyond my expectations at the Huddle at left tackle (I think he'll be fine after a few games.) And, yeah, the best QB in the country. Even without considering our talented depth on offense (Farmer, Flournoy, Agholor, Hobbi, Pomee, Soma, et al), one can see that this group should have no problem moving the football. Just minimize mistakes, knock guys off of the ball, and let your playmakers make plays.

    If our defense, particularly our young DL, can play good football and get themselves off of the field with regularity, that should be enough to lead to a special season for this squad. I actually think our three new coaches, Martin, Sanders, and Hazelton, will be a big part of keeping everyone motivated and bringing the energy levels to a new high.

    This should be fun.

    Great stuff Rich. As always.

    USCTraveler

  • SOTrojan said...

    Yes, but we ran and passed about an equal number of times v. Oregon. If the O does everthing, run and pass, the D needs to account for everything, which makes it that much harder for the D to successfully defend anything.

    This.

    A balanced attack is what wins. And then wearing teams down in the 4th qtr with the run.

    USCTraveler

  • RichSC said...

    But don't you think Redd is going to play a great deal? I guess that's where we differ. I agree we desperately needed depth, but I don't think he's here to back McNeal up. He's a co-starter from the jump IMO.

    Exactly right.

    They will be a 1-2 punch, keep each other fresh, and thus make each other more effective.

    USCTraveler

  • Personally, I like the ability to spell Curtis after he rips off a 30-yard jaunt down the sideline with Silas...no doubling up on the WRs after a long run. Of course, I hope Curtis spells Silas some as well.

    I think we have two outstanding RBs and Kiffin will go with whomever had a great practice week...until the other shows he has the "hot hand".

    jpltrojan1

  • What a wonderful dilemma.....distribution of touches between two 1,000 yd. runners.

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  • TrojanMindSC said...

    Marc Tyler didn't average 13 carries a game when McNeal become a starter. After McNeal become the starter (and removing the Stanford game in which Tyler only got 1 run), Tyler averaged under 10 carries per game with a lot of it being wildcat.

    If you're looking at last years rushing attempts, USC ran the ball around 28 times a game. Even if McNeal and Redd split 50/50, thats only 14 rushes per game each. It would be pretty foolish having a RB that averaged close to 7 YPC with much more speed run the ball as many times as a RB who averaged 5.1 YPC without the ability to take it to the house.

    I think we all saw how much better our offense was last year once McNeal became the starter.

    Are you taking into account two imposrtant non-stats? Beyond McNeal's numbers is the question of his durability. How much better is a more productive back who's a constant injury risk? Also, though Redd may not be able to take it to the house, I would wager that his ypc average would go up considering the fact that he's running behind a better line and defenses are going to be more concerned about Barkley's abilities than McGloin's.

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    No.

    Your turn.lol

    That's not an argument, it's just contradiction. :)

    "there is the SEC, and then there is USC." - Marcus Allen, 11-26-11

    lafromla1

  • ChorizoV said...

    Its cause you're doing it all wrong, Rich. You're supposed to disagree with someone else, call them wrong, then he puts on his internet police badge and jumps in.

    Nope...you still have juice left there big guy. Finish it up and then you go outside and play with you lil buddies.

    Irony, is your middle name.

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  • lafromla1 said...

    That's not an argument, it's just contradiction. :)

    I would telll that to my ex all the time...then all hell would break loose.blackeye

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  • lafromla1 said...

    That's not an argument, it's just contradiction. :)

    An argument clinic is in order....

    Play

    Argument Clinic

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    I would telll that to my ex all the time...then all hell would break loose.

    Ha!

    Speaking of or preventing all hell breaking loose...

    Any guy telling his girl during a 'disagreement'...."I'm sure you must be right"...not only ends the agrument, but virtually guarantees you one (or both if you're brilliant) of the following:

    1. Beer time (forceable) with your buddies (complete with a possible door-slam)
    2. Make-up sex.

    NOTE: You can't participate in #2 and then have any shred of hope of pulling off #1....at least not in the same day, and never in that order. You can accomplish #1 and then #2, but be prepared to talk more first (sigh).

    Plan accordingly, and you're welcome. biggrin

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  • 901Club said...

    An argument clinic is in order....

    i was wondering when someone would get the reference.........FO peace

    "there is the SEC, and then there is USC." - Marcus Allen, 11-26-11

    lafromla1

  • 901Club said...

    An argument clinic is in order....

    No it isn't

    usc2k11

  • 901Club said...

    An argument clinic is in order....

    I love it, I was waiting for this to pop up.

    USCdentist