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We Just Became the Pac-12's Worst Nightmare...

  • ...for opposing defensive coordinators. I guarantee you, they really, REALLY didn't want to see this transfer happen.

    Now you're adding a physical, downfield RB who has terrific vision and good instincts to an incumbent RB with similar attributes who rang up 1,000 yards in part-time duty last season. If Lane Kiffin is willing to commit to the running game-- and I think he's capable of that despite clearly being a passing-game specialist-- then we're going to wear teams down this season and really put DC's in a horrible dilemma. Do I bring an extra body or two into the box to help stuff the rushing attack and leave people like Robert Woods and Marqise Lee and Randal Telfer singled up on the outside? Or do I focus my energy on crowding the pass routes with extra DB's and let Redd and McNeal pound us relentlessly? Not good.

    An additional benefit is that Redd's presence allows DJ Morgan to be brought along more slowly, and perhaps spark his emergence as a great 3rd-down catalyst, as well. It also takes some pressure off both Morgan and Buck Allen should anything (knock wood) happen to McNeal. (I should state now that I believe in both of these young players. Allen looked good to me in the Spring Huddle and Morgan could become an explosive Pac-12 offensive weapon in the not-too-distant future.)

    Two great, sturdy RB's. Two of the best WR's in the college game. Two of the best young TE's in the college game (one a classic in-line player in Grimble; the other the epitome of a versatile matchup problem in Telfer). A young and talented OL whose sole question mark, Aundray Walker, played beyond my expectations at the Huddle at left tackle (I think he'll be fine after a few games.) And, yeah, the best QB in the country. Even without considering our talented depth on offense (Farmer, Flournoy, Agholor, Hobbi, Pomee, Soma, et al), one can see that this group should have no problem moving the football. Just minimize mistakes, knock guys off of the ball, and let your playmakers make plays.

    If our defense, particularly our young DL, can play good football and get themselves off of the field with regularity, that should be enough to lead to a special season for this squad. I actually think our three new coaches, Martin, Sanders, and Hazelton, will be a big part of keeping everyone motivated and bringing the energy levels to a new high.

    This should be fun.

    RichSC

  • Or....the nightmare for the Pac 12 just became WORSE.

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  • one more month!!! cant wait

    http://www.jackthreads.com/invite/sdotk sign up! (please & fight on!)

    SdotK

  • Trojan Conquest said...

    Or....the nightmare for the Pac 12 just became WORSE.

    Pac 11= Little Girl
    Monster under the bed= Usc

    This post was edited by UscPacOff12 on 7/31/2012 at 7:23 PM

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  • The two keys to the offense are Soma and Walker. If they can have solid years this offense will be VERY tough to stop.

    6dynasty

  • Great post Rich.

    This brings back the anticipation I had in 2003. There's something truly special going on.

    usc2k11

  • UscPacOff12 said...

    Pac 11= Little Girl
    Monster under the bed= USC

    FIFY

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  • RichSC said...

    ...for opposing defensive coordinators. I guarantee you, they really, REALLY didn't want to see this transfer happen.

    Now you're adding a physical, downfield RB who has terrific vision and good instincts to an incumbent RB with similar attributes who rang up 1,000 yards in part-time duty last season. If Lane Kiffin is willing to commit to the running game-- and I think he's capable of that despite clearly being a passing-game specialist-- then we're going to wear teams down this season and really put DC's in a horrible dilemma. Do I bring an extra body or two into the box to help stuff the rushing attack and leave people like Robert Woods and Marqise Lee and Randal Telfer singled up on the outside? Or do I focus my energy on crowding the pass routes with extra DB's and let Redd and McNeal pound us relentlessly? Not good.

    An additional benefit is that Redd's presence allows DJ Morgan to be brought along more slowly, and perhaps spark his emergence as a great 3rd-down catalyst, as well. It also takes some pressure off both Morgan and Buck Allen should anything (knock wood) happen to McNeal. (I should state now that I believe in both of these young players. Allen looked good to me in the Spring Huddle and Morgan could become an explosive Pac-12 offensive weapon in the not-too-distant future.)

    Two great, sturdy RB's. Two of the best WR's in the college game. Two of the best young TE's in the college game (one a classic in-line player in Grimble; the other the epitome of a versatile matchup problem in Telfer). A young and talented OL whose sole question mark, Aundray Walker, played beyond my expectations at the Huddle at left tackle (I think he'll be fine after a few games.) And, yeah, the best QB in the country. Even without considering our talented depth on offense (Farmer, Flournoy, Agholor, Hobbi, Pomee, Soma, et al), one can see that this group should have no problem moving the football. Just minimize mistakes, knock guys off of the ball, and let your playmakers make plays.

    If our defense, particularly our young DL, can play good football and get themselves off of the field with regularity, that should be enough to lead to a special season for this squad. I actually think our three new coaches, Martin, Sanders, and Hazelton, will be a big part of keeping everyone motivated and bringing the energy levels to a new high.

    This should be fun.

    Great post... now take it out a year with two great running backs coming in and unless the QBing is terrible we will dominate the 12 the following year too...."eight in the box this time, boss"?

    Move on means FIGHT ON!

    USCtrojans

  • thx for the fix

    Oh and it seems the little girl is a bRuin Fan, to bad someone has to tell her that they will be Kitty fodder by season end.roflmao

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  • RichSC said...

    ...for opposing defensive coordinators. I guarantee you, they really, REALLY didn't want to see this transfer happen.

    Now you're adding a physical, downfield RB who has terrific vision and good instincts to an incumbent RB with similar attributes who rang up 1,000 yards in part-time duty last season. If Lane Kiffin is willing to commit to the running game-- and I think he's capable of that despite clearly being a passing-game specialist-- then we're going to wear teams down this season and really put DC's in a horrible dilemma. Do I bring an extra body or two into the box to help stuff the rushing attack and leave people like Robert Woods and Marqise Lee and Randal Telfer singled up on the outside? Or do I focus my energy on crowding the pass routes with extra DB's and let Redd and McNeal pound us relentlessly? Not good.

    An additional benefit is that Redd's presence allows DJ Morgan to be brought along more slowly, and perhaps spark his emergence as a great 3rd-down catalyst, as well. It also takes some pressure off both Morgan and Buck Allen should anything (knock wood) happen to McNeal. (I should state now that I believe in both of these young players. Allen looked good to me in the Spring Huddle and Morgan could become an explosive Pac-12 offensive weapon in the not-too-distant future.)

    Two great, sturdy RB's. Two of the best WR's in the college game. Two of the best young TE's in the college game (one a classic in-line player in Grimble; the other the epitome of a versatile matchup problem in Telfer). A young and talented OL whose sole question mark, Aundray Walker, played beyond my expectations at the Huddle at left tackle (I think he'll be fine after a few games.) And, yeah, the best QB in the country. Even without considering our talented depth on offense (Farmer, Flournoy, Agholor, Hobbi, Pomee, Soma, et al), one can see that this group should have no problem moving the football. Just minimize mistakes, knock guys off of the ball, and let your playmakers make plays.

    If our defense, particularly our young DL, can play good football and get themselves off of the field with regularity, that should be enough to lead to a special season for this squad. I actually think our three new coaches, Martin, Sanders, and Hazelton, will be a big part of keeping everyone motivated and bringing the energy levels to a new high.

    This should be fun.

    Just became?

    Nothing has changed, Rich. It kind of reminds me of Passover and the 4(5) questions..."why is this night different from all other nights?"peace

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    Just became?

    Nothing has changed, Rich. It kind of reminds me of Passover and the 4(5) questions..."why is this night different from all other nights?"peace

    I'm just going to leave this here...

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  • UscPacOff12 said...

    I'm just going to leave this here...

    That made me lol, and you got an upvote

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    Just became?

    Nothing has changed, Rich.

    I agree. Redd is important because of depth concerns, but the reality is he shouldn't get that many carries a game this year.

    This team needs to be 60-40 pass to run and of that 40%, McNeal needs to get the majority of carries.

    Every carry he gets is almost a victory for the DC. If facing USC, you would rather see Redd getting the ball than Woods, Lee, McNeal or even Farmer or Agholor. Those guys have the speed to take it to the house on any touch. Redd doesn't.

    TrojanMindSC

  • TrojanMindSC said...

    I agree. Redd is important because of depth concerns, but the reality is he shouldn't get that many carries a game this year.

    This team needs to be 60-40 pass to run and of that 40%, McNeal needs to get the majority of carries.

    Every carry he gets is almost a victory for the DC. If facing USC, you would rather see Redd getting the ball than Woods, Lee, McNeal or even Farmer or Agholor. Those guys have the speed to take it to the house on any touch. Redd doesn't.

    Don't get me wrong, I love reading Rich's stuff and he brings it like no one else!

    Redd will make for a great 3rd and short option that will help shorten the game against the teams that like to run a play every 20 seconds.

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  • Trojan Conquest said...

    Or....the nightmare for the Pac 12 just became WORSE.

    Chuck Norris even has nightmares of USC offense attack!

    V4VICTORY

  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    Don't get me wrong, I love reading Rich's stuff and he brings it like no one else!

    Redd will make for a great 3rd and short option that will help shorten the game against the teams that like to run a play every 20 seconds.

    This is where I disagree with that philosophy. USC offense is going to be extremely explosive. Shorting the game is a disadvantage to us, even against teams that run a play every 20 seconds. Our best advantage is to score, score fast and make those teams one dimensional and turnover prone. Before they know it they are down 20+.

    Two years ago against Oregon, USC game plan was to shorten the game and run. We got destroyed. Last year the philosophy was to attack Oregon like any other opponent. Throw deep, throw often and force Oregon to match up with our WRs on the perimeter. Oregon went down big and if wasn't for a KOR for a TD and Tyler's fumble, USC wins going away.

    TrojanMindSC

  • This thread was started from a guy that is prone to analyze all the details we mortals miss. I truthfully didn't even realize it was Rich that wrote it.

    You are never one to give in to hyperbole in the least so your enthusiasm takes on a great deal more meaning and importance. I feel if you are that excited about this year's team then it's got to be one very very special team indeed.

    Nice job!

    No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

    Tanked1

  • RichSC said...

    ...for opposing defensive coordinators. I guarantee you, they really, REALLY didn't want to see this transfer happen.

    Now you're adding a physical, downfield RB who has terrific vision and good instincts to an incumbent RB with similar attributes who rang up 1,000 yards in part-time duty last season. If Lane Kiffin is willing to commit to the running game-- and I think he's capable of that despite clearly being a passing-game specialist-- then we're going to wear teams down this season and really put DC's in a horrible dilemma. Do I bring an extra body or two into the box to help stuff the rushing attack and leave people like Robert Woods and Marqise Lee and Randal Telfer singled up on the outside? Or do I focus my energy on crowding the pass routes with extra DB's and let Redd and McNeal pound us relentlessly? Not good.

    An additional benefit is that Redd's presence allows DJ Morgan to be brought along more slowly, and perhaps spark his emergence as a great 3rd-down catalyst, as well. It also takes some pressure off both Morgan and Buck Allen should anything (knock wood) happen to McNeal. (I should state now that I believe in both of these young players. Allen looked good to me in the Spring Huddle and Morgan could become an explosive Pac-12 offensive weapon in the not-too-distant future.)

    Two great, sturdy RB's. Two of the best WR's in the college game. Two of the best young TE's in the college game (one a classic in-line player in Grimble; the other the epitome of a versatile matchup problem in Telfer). A young and talented OL whose sole question mark, Aundray Walker, played beyond my expectations at the Huddle at left tackle (I think he'll be fine after a few games.) And, yeah, the best QB in the country. Even without considering our talented depth on offense (Farmer, Flournoy, Agholor, Hobbi, Pomee, Soma, et al), one can see that this group should have no problem moving the football. Just minimize mistakes, knock guys off of the ball, and let your playmakers make plays.

    If our defense, particularly our young DL, can play good football and get themselves off of the field with regularity, that should be enough to lead to a special season for this squad. I actually think our three new coaches, Martin, Sanders, and Hazelton, will be a big part of keeping everyone motivated and bringing the energy levels to a new high.

    This should be fun.

    so in other words ,do I want to die of a slow death or a quick one?but the results will be the same ,you will Die/Lose. hmmmmm!!! tough call ,it sucks to be them....biggrin

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by trojanfolife on 7/31/2012 at 9:12 PM

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  • TrojanMindSC said...

    This is where I disagree with that philosophy. USC offense is going to be extremely explosive. Shorting the game is a disadvantage to us, even against teams that run a play every 20 seconds. Our best advantage is to score, score fast and make those teams one dimensional and turnover prone. Before they know it they are down 20+.

    Two years ago against Oregon, USC game plan was to shorten the game and run. We got destroyed. Last year the philosophy was to attack Oregon like any other opponent. Throw deep, throw often and force Oregon to match up with our WRs on the perimeter. Oregon went down big and if wasn't for a KOR for a TD and Tyler's fumble, USC wins going away.

    Yes, but we ran and passed about an equal number of times v. Oregon. If the O does everthing, run and pass, the D needs to account for everything, which makes it that much harder for the D to successfully defend anything.

    SOTrojan

  • TrojanMindSC said...

    This is where I disagree with that philosophy. USC offense is going to be extremely explosive. Shorting the game is a disadvantage to us, even against teams that run a play every 20 seconds. Our best advantage is to score, score fast and make those teams one dimensional and turnover prone. Before they know it they are down 20+.

    Two years ago against Oregon, USC game plan was to shorten the game and run. We got destroyed. Last year the philosophy was to attack Oregon like any other opponent. Throw deep, throw often and force Oregon to match up with our WRs on the perimeter. Oregon went down big and if wasn't for a KOR for a TD and Tyler's fumble, USC wins going away.

    Except that in the 4th quarter and we don HAVE a 20 point lead we will have two un-exhausted backs keeping the clock moving. Redd will make us much better when we need it.

    rondavis

  • 6dynasty said...

    The two keys to the offense are Soma and Walker. If they can have solid years this offense will be VERY tough to stop.

    well if that's the case then it's Ova.Soma looks good nice hands and runs with a real FB attitude Ouch!!!,and Rozay is a man child ,a Beast ,a Mountainous Man!!!! with quick feet so were good.

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  • SOTrojan said...

    Yes, but we ran and passed about an equal number of times v. Oregon. If the O does everthing, run and pass, the D needs to account for everything, which makes it that much harder for the D to successfully defend anything.

    Its misleading and almost proves my point. I can't remember if the opening play was a WR screen to Woods or a reverse, but removing that play heres are how the Pass vs Run break down.

    1st half - 20 pass plays, 12 running plays. USC up 21-7
    3rd qtr - 9 run plays, 8 pass plays
    4th qtr - 9 run plays, 5 pass plays - ZERO points, interception and fumble.

    The offense performs much better when we are pass first, run to keep them honest. We we don't do that, we lose our rhythm and usually struggle or have turnovers.

    This post was edited by TrojanMindSC on 7/31/2012 at 9:32 PM

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  • TrojanMindSC said...

    This is where I disagree with that philosophy. USC offense is going to be extremely explosive. Shorting the game is a disadvantage to us, even against teams that run a play every 20 seconds. Our best advantage is to score, score fast and make those teams one dimensional and turnover prone. Before they know it they are down 20+.

    Two years ago against Oregon, USC game plan was to shorten the game and run. We got destroyed. Last year the philosophy was to attack Oregon like any other opponent. Throw deep, throw often and force Oregon to match up with our WRs on the perimeter. Oregon went down big and if wasn't for a KOR for a TD and Tyler's fumble, USC wins going away.

    All you need to do is look at how many plays the SC defense was on the field for. Way too many.

    I did not say that the philosophy is for every game and all game, however, when the explosive offense has a big lead, what better way to get to the finish line?

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  • TrojanMindSC said...

    I agree. Redd is important because of depth concerns, but the reality is he shouldn't get that many carries a game this year.

    This team needs to be 60-40 pass to run and of that 40%, McNeal needs to get the majority of carries.

    Every carry he gets is almost a victory for the DC. If facing USC, you would rather see Redd getting the ball than Woods, Lee, McNeal or even Farmer or Agholor. Those guys have the speed to take it to the house on any touch. Redd doesn't.

    I don't think we sent 8 coaches to Connecticut to have Redd come here and "not get many carries". Clearly the staff coveted him and wants him to be a co-workhouse with McNeal.

    I have no problem with a pass-first philosophy, but I am pretty sure Redd is going to get a lot of carries. The pitch to get him was not to have him be a change-up or 3rd down back, IMHO.

    RichSC

  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    Just became?

    Nothing has changed, Rich. It kind of reminds me of Passover and the 4(5) questions..."why is this night different from all other nights?"peace

    Before today, we had one proven RB. I think opponents could at least HOPE that something happened to McNeal before we got to them on the schedule. As much as I like Morgan and Allen, Redd is a known commodity and a damned good one. There will be no drop off when he's in there.

    RichSC