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Trojans Offer DT Eddie Vanderdoes

  • Scott Schrader said...

    http://usc.247sports.com/Article/Trojans-Offer-DT-Eddie-Vanderdoes-72764

    Vanderdoes gets an offer he's been waiting for.

    We should have offered a long time ago especially since we have a huge need at DT.

    Rixxs

  • I presume coaches like to see game film, see what the player does when the play not to him, how does he stay at home as a DE, the things not shown on a highlite reel. Rating services rank from highlite videos and camps. There is a lot more than that before you invite a kid into your family. An OOS player you might offer based on highlites to get in the game. Just guessing, but i am quite sure You Tube film is a food way for a coach to make bad recruiting decisions.

    TireGeorge

  • pdxtroy said...

    I believe the weak HS competition, even though he was highly rated by the recruiting sites, slowed USC's appreciation.to date

    Don't think I buy that one. If that were the case why was Anzalone offered so early? Kid plays against horrible competition and doesn't dominate. 50+ tackles isn't much to brag about, IMO. FWIW I'm not that high on Anzalone, Vanderdoes is a different story though.

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  • star69 said...

    Don't think I buy that one. If that were the case why was Anzalone offered so early? Kid plays against horrible competition and doesn't dominate. 50+ tackles isn't much to brag about, IMO. FWIW I'm not that high on Anzalone, Vanderdoes is a different story though.

    Because Anzalone is an OOS kid. That's how the game works; you offer the OOS kids to gauge interest and then take your time picking and choosing with the in-state kids who you know inherently have you in their top group from the start.

    stoptothink

  • stoptothink said...

    Because Anzalone is an OOS kid. That's how the game works; you offer the OOS kids to gauge interest and then take your time picking and choosing with the in-state kids who you know inherently have you in their top group from the start.

    Faulty logic. If a kid can lay in-state, you need to lock him down ASAP IMO.

    Rixxs

  • Rixxs said...

    Faulty logic. If a kid can lay in-state, you need to lock him down ASAP IMO.

    Faulty logic to you, but that's the reality. I'm pretty sure the coaches are experienced at this game of recruiting Mr. Hayes Pullard is a stiff that will never see the field.

    This post was edited by NEmeans124960 on 5/10/2012 at 12:59 PM

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  • Rixxs said...

    Faulty logic. If a kid can lay in-state, you need to lock him down ASAP IMO.

    Well tell that to every D1 football coach because that is exactly how the game is played.

    stoptothink

  • stoptothink said...

    Well tell that to every D1 football coach because that is exactly how the game is played.

    I agree that this logic a sound for USC and other top programs, but certainly not every school falls in this category. Truth is, if a kid id good enough he gets an offer immediately. If there are any question, even the slightest doubt it seems like USC waits to offer the kid. I like hos they handle offers. In the end it makes these kids work for top in-state offers. We usually get the lion's share of in-state prospects we go after so it seems to be mutually beneficial.

    Again, not to nitpick, but this strategy is not for most schools; USC, Texas, ND, Florida, Bama, Georgia and OSU are in a different class for recruiting.

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  • N.E.means said...

    Faulty logic to you, but that's the reality. I'm pretty sure the coaches are experienced at this game of recruiting Mr. Hayes Pullard is a stiff that will never see the field.

    Ok Mr Ellis McCarthy will be a trojan, Kennard is a great mlb, etc. LOL If that's true then why did Sua Craven have a scholarship before most OOSers. LOL.

    Rixxs

  • stoptothink said...

    Well tell that to every D1 football coach because that is exactly how the game is played.

    Not true,Sua Craven had a scholarship offer before most OOSers. There has been numerous others that had scholarship offers before OOSers (Barkely, Woods, DAT, etc.) Faulty logic.

    Rixxs

  • Rixxs said...

    Not true,Sua Craven had a scholarship offer before most OOSers. There has been numerous others that had scholarship offers before OOSers (Barkely, Woods, DAT, etc.) Faulty logic.

    How does this apply to the original post I made and what I was originally responding to? Why did USC have dozens of OOS offers sent out before Chris Hawkins or Tahaan Goodman or Nico Falah or Kylie Fitts or...?

    stoptothink

  • stoptothink said...

    How does this apply to the original post I made and what I was originally responding to? Why did USC have dozens of OOS offers sent out before Chris Hawkins or Tahaan Goodman or Nico Falah or Kylie Fitts or...?

    It applies because you posted that it's common practice to offer OOS first before in players from in state. I posted that is not true when it comes to elite players especially in positions of need and pointed out several examples.

    Eddie Vanderdoes is generally recognized as an elite talent that is in a position of need (Top DT in California) and we were very late to offer. I think you guys just argue for the sake of arguing.

    This post was edited by Rixxs on 5/10/2012 at 3:32 PM

    Rixxs

  • Rixxs said...

    It applies because you posted that it's common practice to offer OOS first before in players from in state. I posted that is not true when it comes to elite players especially in positions of need and pointed out several examples.

    Eddie Vanderdoes is generally recognized as an elite talent that is in a position of need (Top DT in California) and we were very late to offer. I think you guys just argue for the sake of arguing.

    Look at the post I was responding to. I was answering the domer's question. If you do not acknowledge that OOS get thrown out feeler offers before the in-state kids, then I don't know what to tell you and it is pointless discussing it with you.

    stoptothink

  • Rixxs said...

    Ok Mr Ellis McCarthy will be a trojan, Kennard is a great mlb, etc. LOL If that's true then why did Sua Craven have a scholarship before most OOSers. LOL.

    Sorry bud, you have me mixed up with someone else. Never did I every post Mccarthy would be a trojan or that Kennard was a great mlb. Nice try bud, but its factual that you said Pullard would never see the field and jawanza starling is the worst football player in the nation. Your quotes. I dont know who you believe I am.

    Sua', well obviously because they believe he's one of the best players in the nation. Common freaking sense. Why would they not offer a guy they're completely sold on. And its obvious the coaches are/were not completely sold on Vanderdoes. They could care less how he's "generally regarded" by recruiting sites e.g JR Tavai vs Jalen Grimble. 1+1 = 2 Einstein. Do you need me to explain any other simple math problems that you're having?

    This post was edited by NEmeans124960 on 5/10/2012 at 4:58 PM

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  • stoptothink said...

    Look at the post I was responding to. I was answering the domer's question. If you do not acknowledge that OOS get thrown out feeler offers before the in-state kids, then I don't know what to tell you and it is pointless discussing it with you.

    I've already pointed out that's not always the case. I belive DAT was from CALIFORNIA and he had an offer before OOSers. Your one size fits all strategy is simply not true.

    Rixxs

  • N.E.means said...

    Sorry bud, you have me mixed up with someone else. Never did I every post Mccarthy would be a trojan or that Kennard was a great mlb. Nice try bud, but its factual that you said Pullard would never see the field and jawanza starling is the worst football player in the nation. Your quotes. I dont know who you believe I am.

    Sua', well obviously because they believe he's one of the best players in the nation. Common freaking sense. Why would they not offer a guy they're completely sold on. And its obvious the coaches are/were not completely sold on Vanderdoes. They could care less how he's "generally regarded" by recruiting sites e.g JR Tavai vs Jalen Grimble. 1+1 = 2 Einstein. Do you need me to explain any other simple math problems that you're having?

    hahaha, you blasted me when I posted Mccarthy was going to UCLA and Kennard was a bad mlb. But go ahead and backpedal. I never posted Jawanza was the worse player in the nation, completely BS from you as usual. I have man up and posted I was wrong about Pullard. Unlike you, I'm able to admit my mistakes.

    Obviously they were wrong about Vanderose, since THEY NOW OFFERED him a scholarship and VERY late compared to many other schools. That was my point. They were very late to offer an elite talent of need. You are just arguing to argue. I've seen other posts where you claimed coaches can be wrong too. Well isn't it possible that they were wrong in this case to offer so late???? No, only because I posted it and you want to contradict me.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Rixxs on 5/10/2012 at 5:52 PM

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  • Rixxs said...

    I've already pointed out that's not always the case. I belive DAT was from CALIFORNIA and he had an offer before OOSers. Your one size fits all strategy is simply not true.

    Where was my one size fits all strategy? They were talking about Alex Anzalone and Vanderdoes. You point out 2 outliers (who were both probably the best players in the entire country) in what is a pretty well understood system. Context is not your friend.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by stoptothink on 5/10/2012 at 6:09 PM

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  • stoptothink said...

    Where was my one size fits all strategy? They were talking about Alex Anzalone and Vanderdoes. You point out 2 outliers (who were both probably the best players in the entire country) in what is a pretty well understood system. Context is not your friend.

    2 outliers? LOL Hutchings, Redfield, Justin Davis, Ellis Mccarthy, Shaq Thompson etc were all California kids that had offers very early on. It was all just a fluke and non common practice. LOL

    Rixxs

  • It is common practice for most schools to offer out of state prospects first before in state kids to get a idea of how much intrest the kid has in their school where as most in state prospects you usually have A idea of where you stand. However if the school feels that the prospect is a cant miss then they will offer right away. As far a Vanderdoes I belive coaches just wanted to see more tape of him before they offer as you can see from the past they don't put to much into recruiting site rankings.I dont think I would say that they are wrong but being cautious with the limited numbers.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by ish4510 on 5/10/2012 at 6:49 PM

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  • Rixxs said...

    2 outliers? LOL Hutchings, Redfield, Justin Davis, Ellis Mccarthy, Shaq Thompson etc were all California kids that had offers very early on. It was all just a fluke and non common practice. LOL

    How many OOS kids had offers before any of the guys you mentioned?....crickets.....crickets....please, just stop.

    stoptothink

  • ish4510 said...

    It is common practice for most schools to offer out of state prospects first before in state kids to get a idea of how much intrest the kid has in their school where as most in state prospects you usually have A idea of where you stand. However if the school feels that the prospect is a cant miss then they will offer right away. As far a Vanderdoes I belive coaches just wanted to see more tape of him before they offer as you can see from the past they don't put to much into recruiting site rankings.I dont think I would say that they are wrong but being cautious with the limited numbers.

    Preposterous. Logical fallacy.

    stoptothink

  • stoptothink said...

    Because Anzalone is an OOS kid. That's how the game works; you offer the OOS kids to gauge interest and then take your time picking and choosing with the in-state kids who you know inherently have you in their top group from the start.

    I knew that would be the answer, but if it's a level of competition thing that makes 0 sense with Anzalone.

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  • For the talent evaluator gurus, how does Vanderdoes compare to Pagano? I really like Pagano.

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  • stoptothink said...

    How many OOS kids had offers before any of the guys you mentioned?....crickets.....crickets....please, just stop.

    Not many....crickets... crickets..

    Rixxs

  • ish4510 said...

    It is common practice for most schools to offer out of state prospects first before in state kids to get a idea of how much intrest the kid has in their school where as most in state prospects you usually have A idea of where you stand. However if the school feels that the prospect is a cant miss then they will offer right away. As far a Vanderdoes I belive coaches just wanted to see more tape of him before they offer as you can see from the past they don't put to much into recruiting site rankings.I dont think I would say that they are wrong but being cautious with the limited numbers.

    It might be common practice for most players but there are excpetions and IMO I belive Vanderdoes was one of the exceptions and it was a mistake to offer him this late in the process in a position of need IMO.

    Rixxs