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  • With the tragic news of Junior's apparent suicide, it has me thinking...is it time for the NFL to put in some mandates for forced retirement at certain positions that are played?

    If you receive 3 concussions during your time in the NFL regardless of your position, you will be forced into a medical retirement?

    Linemen on both sides of the ball, LB's, RB's, the positions that tend to absorb the "most" amount of head trauma are forced to retire after 10 years?

    In my opinion it's time for the NFL to really examine these issues. Perhaps if these bylaws are part of the system, more players will finish their college degrees and have careers outside of football when their playing days are over.

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    With the tragic news of Junior's apparent suicide, it has me thinking...is it time for the NFL to put in some mandates for forced retirement at certain positions that are played?

    If you receive 3 concussions during your time in the NFL regardless of your position, you will be forced into a medical retirement?

    Linemen on both sides of the ball, LB's, RB's, the positions that tend to absorb the "most" amount of head trauma are forced to retire after 10 years?

    In my opinion it's time for the NFL to really examine these issues. Perhaps if these bylaws are part of the system, more players will finish their college degrees and have careers outside of football when their playing days are over.

    Something needs to be done. I thought Aikman was crazy when he said this:
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/21/aikman-thinks-football-could-lose-its-spot-at-no-1-sport/

    But with the events of the past month the nfl is in a big hole.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Something needs to be done. I thought Aikman was crazy when he said this: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/21/aikman-thinks-football-could-lose-its-spot-at-no-1-sport/

    But with the events of the past month the nfl is in a big hole.

    Yep. I have to imagine that a tiered pension fund could be easily implemented.

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  • The NFLPA is littered with aging vets (some well-known and others who are not household names) whom are living a sub-standard life due to medical issues from their playing careers.

    Part of the collective bargaining agreement addresses this issue with $ubsidies to this group; but I concur--much more should be and could be done from a proactive stance, to provide alternatives including psychiatric help, career development and financial planning well beyond what the league currently provides in the form of pamphlets, and sparse rookie resources upon entering the league.

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  • Trojan Conquest said...

    The NFLPA is littered with aging vets (some well-known and others who are not household names) whom are living a sub-standard life due to medical issues from their playing careers.

    Part of the collective bargaining agreement addresses this issue with $ubsidies to this group; but I concur--much more should be and could be done from a proactive stance, to provide alternatives including psychiatric help, career development and financial planning well beyond what the league currently provides in the form of pamphlets, and sparse rookie resources upon entering the league.

    The problem with the NFLPA...they want short-term gains without considering the long-term effects. How much of a players salary goes toward their own version of workmans comp?

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  • Yeah they need to fight for healthcare for vets. 20 seasons in the league at MLB that's insane. You're onto something with this TW.

    This post was edited by Alonzo Harris on 5/2/2012 at 3:11 PM

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  • Dunno if they already do this, but what about different helmets (thicker) for those high impact players?

    RecklessRew

  • RecklessRew said...

    Dunno if they already do this, but what about different helmets (thicker) for those high impact players?

    The problem isn't so much the thickness of the helmet as it is the sudden change in momentum that causes the brain to violently collide with the inside of the cranium.

    I've seen arguments that the some of the blaim can be attributed to the equipment, which gives the player the illusion of safety and leads to more reckless play. The theory is that if the player was less protected by the equipment, the player would be more cautious. I don't know if there's any truth to that, but I think it's worth examining. My question is: is there a similar issue in the rugby world where little to no padding is worn?

    chrisrash

  • RecklessRew said...

    Dunno if they already do this, but what about different helmets (thicker) for those high impact players?

    Thicker wouldn't do much.

    It would take a complete redesign of the helmet. There was an interesting prototype put out there that had many interlocking pieces. I can't remember how much testing had been done, but initial results were promising.

    Forget the mousetrap....build a better football helmet, and you'll solve the NFL's multi-billion dollar problem.

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  • chrisrash said...

    The problem isn't so much the thickness of the helmet as it is the sudden change in momentum that causes the brain to violently collide with the inside of the cranium.

    I've seen arguments that the some of the blaim can be attributed to the equipment, which gives the player the illusion of safety and leads to more reckless play. The theory is that if the player was less protected by the equipment, the player would be more cautious. I don't know if there's any truth to that, but I think it's worth examining. My question is: is there a similar issue in the rugby world where little to no padding is worn?

    I imagine in the leather helmet days of the NFL, there were far less head-to-head collisions or leading with the head.

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  • It's an interesting idea, but I think you'd get players and teams hiding concussions so as not to lose valuable players too early in their career.

    wake6830

  • wake6830 said...

    It's an interesting idea, but I think you'd get players and teams hiding concussions so as not to lose valuable players too early in their career.

    Yup...which is even worse than playing after multiple concussions...

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  • wake6830 said...

    It's an interesting idea, but I think you'd get players and teams hiding concussions so as not to lose valuable players too early in their career.

    I think the NFL(not the team's Dr.) controls the medical evaluations now...pretty sure?

    This post was edited by TrojanWarrior1 on 5/2/2012 at 3:29 PM

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    I think the NFL(not the team's Dr.) controls the medical evaluations now...pretty sure?


    I remember when Chris Henry passed away that he had brain damage and he had never had a concussion while playing football.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5333971

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  • mrsam said...

    I remember when Chris Henry passed away that he had brain damage and he had never had a concussion while playing football.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5333971

    I think this is a key point, he never had a diagnosed concussion, but he still could have had a few that went untreated and undetected.

    westcoastfball

  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    With the tragic news of Junior's apparent suicide, it has me thinking...is it time for the NFL to put in some mandates for forced retirement at certain positions that are played?

    If you receive 3 concussions during your time in the NFL regardless of your position, you will be forced into a medical retirement?

    Linemen on both sides of the ball, LB's, RB's, the positions that tend to absorb the "most" amount of head trauma are forced to retire after 10 years?

    In my opinion it's time for the NFL to really examine these issues. Perhaps if these bylaws are part of the system, more players will finish their college degrees and have careers outside of football when their playing days are over.

    Doubt it could work. In the Air Force (at least during the time when I was a member), a history of concussions could impact your qualification for pilot training ... so, at the Air Force Academy, cadets magically did not suffer concussions, despite boxing, football, etc.

    Flyerz73

  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    I think the NFL(not the team's Dr.) controls the medical evaluations now...pretty sure?

    Possibly. I don't know the rules.

    That might remove some of the incentive to hide concussions, but the league might still have its own incentive. Imagine some young NFL star, a top draft pick with lots of fans and sponsorships, is unlucky enough to get 2 concussions in his first season. You think the league is going to jump at the opportunity to diagnose him with a 3rd, thereby forcing him out of the league?

    The league is a business and has interests that don't typically align with player safety, especially when we're talking in the long-term.

    wake6830

  • wake6830 said...

    Possibly. I don't know the rules.

    That might remove some of the incentive to hide concussions, but the league might still have its own incentive. Imagine some young NFL star, a top draft pick with lots of fans and sponsorships, is unlucky enough to get 2 concussions in his first season. You think the league is going to jump at the opportunity to diagnose him with a 3rd, thereby forcing him out of the league?

    The league is a business and has interests that don't typically align with player safety, especially when we're talking in the long-term.

    Then the league and Goodell would like a bunch of hypocrites...based on the recent fines and suspensions.

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    The problem with the NFLPA...they want short-term gains without considering the long-term effects.

    this is exaclty how I see it as well. I just cant imagine how these guys can ignore the past vets and their issues. with the size of the players and the speed of the game increasing yearly...surely something has to be done.

    Im not one for mandatory retirement age, but I am a fan of the idea of better healthcare, pension and services for veterans. mandatory head checks (dont mean to lose you with my technical terms there) for players and vets would also be a step in the right direction. These guys are ina high risk - high reward career, for which they are paid handsomely. I dont think we should start creating new rules/penalties to deal with this. However, care and follow-ups should be part of their contracts (to which they should be forced to pay into). again, just my opinion.

    This post was edited by Mickey Av on 5/2/2012 at 4:20 PM

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    Then the league and Goodell would like a bunch of hypocrites...based on the recent fines and suspensions.

    I agree, both sides have looked like hypocrites about player safety to some extent to this point.

    westcoastfball

  • Mickey Av said...

    this is exaclty how I see it as well. I just cant imagine how these guys can ignore the past vets and their issues. with the size of the players and the speed of the game increasing yearly...surely something has to be done.

    Im not one for mandatory retirement age, but I am a fan of the idea of better healthcare, pension and services for veterans. mandatory head checks (dont mean to lose you with my technical terms there) for players and vets would also be a step in the right direction. These guys are ina high risk - high reward career, for which they are paid handsomely. I dont think we should start creating new rules/penalties to deal with this. However, care and follow-ups should be part of their contracts (to which they should be forced to pay into). again, just my opinion.

    I can get on board with much of what you're proposing. Whatever type of programs eventually get implemented, it's going to require a cultural change...there needs to be some sort of incentive dangled in front of them.

    If I'm an 8-year vet that's played RB, LB, DL, etc,... I know that my career is coming to end sooner rather than later. I would also love to see some sort of program that helps me transition from egomaniac(not necessarily a negative connotation) to regular person; most of these guys have been BMOC since high school. Listening to some of the former pros, this seems to be a hard transition for some, and may lead to the depression issues that they're experiencing or have experienced.

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  • I would imagine performance enhancing drugs also play a role in emotional stability long term. Also a significant portion of the general population is depressed and i imagine this extends to football players too. Obviously though, the chronic head trauma likely plays a role too. Sad day.

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  • Tough to say at this point if this is even related to brain trauma.

    None of us really knows if he had business/personal/family/relationship/legal/financial related stresses that factored into his decision to take his own life.

    Having said that, the brain related trauma issue is a very real problem that's not going away. Something needs to be done, and no cards should be off of the table.

    brdcstr1

  • brdcstr1 said...

    Tough to say at this point if this is even related to brain trauma.

    None of us really knows if he had business/personal/family/relationship/legal/financial related stresses that factored into his decision to take his own life.

    Having said that, the brain related trauma issue is a very real problem that's not going away. Something needs to be done, and no cards should be off of the table.

    Agreed

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  • brdcstr1 said...

    Tough to say at this point if this is even related to brain trauma.

    None of us really knows if he had business/personal/family/relationship/legal/financial related stresses that factored into his decision to take his own life.

    Having said that, the brain related trauma issue is a very real problem that's not going away. Something needs to be done, and no cards should be off of the table.

    I completely agree with you, but its a sad state of affairs when the game at both the Professional and the Collegiate level have been systematically trying to remove vicious hits, spearing, helmet to helmet contact, etc... and at the same time, many fans keep crying about the wussification of the modern era of football.

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