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  • die yankees die said...

    I appreciate your comments and take on the game. We've been debating over and over again ad nauseum all of these issues over on the duck board. Numbered lists seem to be en vogue, so,

    1.) Bennett did have very few offensive weapons. Eric Dungy was his best receiver.

    2.) I'm not willing to call Bennett's defense terrible. On paper before the game, we all expected Bennett's defense to be better. Did you see the play where Arik Armstead pushed his guy 6 feet into Mariota's backfield, causing the fumble? Good stuff.

    3.) Good quarterbacks always make defenses look piss poor.

    4.) Mariota is indeed the better runner.

    5.) Everyone thinks, and you can see it in our WR's lingo, that Mariota is the superior passer. Bennett throws bullets. Everyone says they prefer Mariota's touch and accuracy better. When i say everyone, I mean a couple of guys on the team.

    6.) Mariota is an absolute master of throwing on the run.

    7.) Mariota remained cool as a cucumber. Very humble. Intangibles I believe is what they call them.

    8.) We agree that Bennett didn't get a fair shake as his offense wasn't nearly as good as mariota's. He had kenjon barner, who ran one time. I believe he was also supposed to have Colt Lyerla, but we all know Lylerla didn't end up playing. Ergo, we all agree that Bennett didn't get a fair shake.

    9.) 5 yard gain? I'd say USC gives Mariota a minimum 15 yard gain.

    and finally,

    9.) Bennett got rattled. That's it. We saw him get rattled.

    edge goes Mariota. We think it's been a long time coming. Some of us. I can't speak for everyone. it's cool you watched our spring game. I wish i could watch all the pac's spring games.

    Not a problem - seeing a rational Duck is a refreshing sight indeed moon

    But we'll have to agree to disagree. Oregon and USC emphasize different talents in quarterbacks. Mariota is better at throwing on the run, but Bennet is a better pocket passer from what I saw (even though his pocket collapsed over and over).

    And for Mariota, he did not face a good defense that day, IMHO.

    His passes consisted of three types:
    1) Long passes to receivers who outran their coverage (not impressive for QBs; it IS impressive for WRs)
    2) Short passes to receivers standing still in the flats (not impressive for QBs; YAC yardage shouldn't be attributed to the QB)
    3) Passes to WRs standing still in broken zone coverages (not impressive for QBs; shows inexperience in UO's secondary)

    Yes Mariota did make some good throws on the run, but I repeat that the Dark teams defense did not pressure Mariota at all - which is exactly why he was calm and throwing well. Mariota could have had a picnic in the pocket.

    Most importantly of all - Bennet has game time experience, which is why he should start. You can't expect a true freshman QB to perform well under pressure - that's one of the sacred tenets of football lol

    Like I said, he has tons of talent and potential. Oregon has a flat out embarrasing schedule up until they face USC. I expect Oregon will be throttled because the new starters won't have experience against a good team. HOWEVER, I expect USC and Oregon will meet again in the PAC-12 championship game and IMO Oregon will be much, much better than the first match.

    All this is JMHO peace

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  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    Who was the OL involved in that play?

    It's pretty well documented that Oregon has huge question marks on the OL. My guess is that Armstead pushed back one of your young, undersized, inexperienced OL.

    I'd like to know as well.

    One play isn't very telling...

    Also for those who are interested, there were a few interceptions that were the results of poor passing (by Bennet I believe)

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Trojani on 5/21/2012 at 3:12 PM

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  • Trojani said...

    Bennet is a better thrower and Mariota is a better runner

    I would flip flop this (and it's not very close IMO) otherwise I agree with much of what you said. Mariotta would not have gone 80 yards in a real game on that play as the safety let up.

    We should be in good hands either way, but as you guys mention lack of experience will be a big factor. Especially when one enters the Coliseum without having faced a team half as good as you guys yet. Will be a reality check.

    ducklefty

  • Trojani said...

    So far I'm not terribly impressed [the whole game is watchable on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlxONoXQfbY&feature=related].

    I watched every play until the late 4th quarter:

    1) Mariota DOES distribute the ball properly on option plays - Oregon's running game will be just fine 2) Mariota's passes were to WIDE OPEN receivers; the Dark team's pass defense and pass rush were both absolutely pathetic 3) On the other hand, Bennet had to face a much better defense - Bennet was under pressure every single play and his O-line was utter shit - also his receivers were blanketed the whole game (Light team's pass defense was very good) 4) The most impressive drive of the game was in the 3rd quarter where Bennet's team scored. Under pressure, Bennet threw a 30 yard strike into triple coverage and completed the pass. 5) Mariota on the other hand (facing a pitiful defense) was able to lob lolly pop throws to wide open receivers - otherwise he threw passes to the flat (that's not special or impressive) 6) Finally, Mariota's long TD run. The kid has wheels that's for sure. But honestly, the Dark team appeared to be holding back as not to hurt the QB. SC would have had Mariota in the turf after a 5 yard gain at best biggrin

    In summary, Bennet's team sucked major ass and he didn't get a fair shake. Mariota's team was much more talented.

    IMO, Bennet and Mariota are equally good (Bennet is a better thrower and Mariota is a better runner). Both would be starters at every other PAC-12 team, spare USC and Washington, and perhaps Wazzu.

    Comparing Mariota to Dixon is like comparing Dillon Baxter to Reggie Bush - Dixon was a beast and a very rare and special talent, and Mariota is just a young freshman who looked good against a pitiful defense.

    Mariota has a lot of potential (speed and athleticism) but his passing is comparable to a good high school senior QB, which is essentially what he is.

    Some guys have "it" and some don't. Mariotta has that it factor. I think Chip is just holding off naming him the starter, so Bennett does not transfer.

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  • Our OL is the weakness of the team? Hrm.

    Ok. I'll tell you the POTENTIAL weakness of the ducks. It's not like Kiffin and co. don't already know. There are three of them. 2 aren't as big of causes of concern; 1 I believe is.

    1.) Unproven WRs. Last year our WRs were lackluster to put it gently. Tuinei showed up for the rose bowl. Cool. Better late than never. This year we apparently have talent and speed out the wazoo, but no proven go-to guys except huff, who is looking at a suspension over a dui.

    2.) QB. This one's obvious.

    3.) The main Achilles heel of our team? I hate to say it. It's running back. It pains me to say it. Oregon has been like Running Back U the last few years. This year we have 1 and 1/2. Barner is one. Deanthony thomas (you all know him, right? moon [sorry couldn't resist]) is 1/2, as he's a weird hybrid position that isn't quite RB, not quite WR. Chip calls the position TAZR. Anyway, DeT isn't taking 15 hard hits a game. And who after that? A guys named Byron Marshall who isn't even on campus yet. He's still in high school. If Barner gets injured, which I'm thinking is more likely than not, we don't have a proven horse. Our running game goes away...and, well, I don't recognize THAT oregon team.

    So there you go.

    Now our OL? Not a weakness. I mean, they're kind of unproven, but we have solid leadership coming back in guys like Carson York. What they're not saying, is the guys who are taking off their red shirts for next year (Andre Yruretagoyena, Tyler Johnstone, et al) are bigger and more athletic than any OL group we've ever had. Every one of them was a 4 star recruit last year(because everyone knows the number of stars next to your name is the only thing that matters). Also, we have a guy from michigan, Jake Fisher, who started last year as a true freshman and held his own. He's huge. We have our center returning who was lights out last year, and we also signed the top OL JUCO prospect last year in Kyle Long. He comes from a long NFL stock.

    ...so I guess, of all the concerns we MAY have, OL is NOT one of them. I'm telling you. Watch RB. You think USC is thin, woof.

    Thanks, guys, for the informed, civil discussion. In fact, now that I think about it, this has been more civil than a lot of conversations I have with duck fans. Half of them hate me over there because I call out the arrogant f'ing pricks. Anyway. You helped pass my grueling day at work.

    Oh, prediction time: Oregon beats USC by the thinnest of margins at the coliseum. I think it will be a balanced attack on both sides, but surprisingly low scoring. Playing a cupcake schedule(btw, you can thank kansas st for backing out, wussies) will favor the ducks and their inexperienced WR/QB. I'll be there, and you couple of trojans are invited to my sick ass tailgate. I'll have a keg of Stone ruination and a keg of Rogue Hazelnut brown. Word.

    Then oregon has an easier time at home the in the CG rematch(despite the maxim that good teams are hard to beat twice). Cheers!

    This post was edited by die yankees die on 5/21/2012 at 4:03 PM

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  • That said, how do you beat the vaunted men of troy?

    And don't tell me about depth concerns, I can get that much over on that whore of a network, ESPN>

    die yankees die

  • die yankees die said...

    That said, how do you beat the vaunted men of troy?

    And don't tell me about depth concerns, I can get that much over on that whore of a network, ESPN>

    Better get to the QB in a hurry.

    Last thing I do is a bend but don't break defense. I overload blitz, I show heat from one side and bring it from another. Zone blitz, etc.. Hope I get sacks and takeaways, as I know I am going to give up some big plays as well.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MJRuffalo on 5/21/2012 at 4:18 PM

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  • die yankees die said...

    That said, how do you beat the vaunted men of troy?

    And don't tell me about depth concerns, I can get that much over on that whore of a network, ESPN>

    You beat SC with poor officiating that benefits the Floats.
    You beat SC by winning the turnover battle.
    You beat SC when SC plays poorly.

    That just about covers it.

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  • OL for the ducks is definitely a weakness. Look at the pressure we got against them last year.

    Fisher only started as a freshman because there was no one better. It's not like he beat anyone of substance to get that job.

    And most are banking on a JUCO OL to start from day 1 at tackle spot. That's not a good thing.

    AbsenteeTrojan

  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    OL for the ducks is definitely a weakness. Look at the pressure we got against them last year.

    Fisher only started as a freshman because there was no one better. It's not like he beat anyone of substance to get that job.

    And most are banking on a JUCO OL to start from day 1 at tackle spot. That's not a good thing.

    Um. I'll say nuh-uh, then refer you to my previous post describing our OL.

    And trojanwarrior, do you call us the floats? I don't really get it. I suppose it's better than the zeros or the yucks.

    die yankees die

  • die yankees die said...

    Um. I'll say nuh-uh, then refer you to my previous post describing our OL.

    And trojanwarrior, do you call us the floats? I don't really get it. I suppose it's better than the zeros or the yucks.

    I suppose it is better...until you figure out what Float(er)s are.smoke

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  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    OL for the ducks is definitely a weakness. Look at the pressure we got against them last year.

    Fisher only started as a freshman because there was no one better. It's not like he beat anyone of substance to get that job.

    And most are banking on a JUCO OL to start from day 1 at tackle spot. That's not a good thing.

    I don't think Fisher ever started. They did start a Freshman center tho

    winning7

  • winning7 said...

    I don't think Fisher ever started. They did start a Freshman center tho

    Hroniss Grasu, a totally badass center.

    And saying USC loses only if they play poorly is pretty disingenuous. I made an honest effort to break the ducks down.

    Citadel can beat LSU if they play really well.

    die yankees die

  • Still trying to figure out how he graduated from Hillsboro High School. Kid skipped a good part of school his junior year.

    Joe_Jitsu

  • die yankees die said...

    Hroniss Grasu, a totally badass center.

    And saying USC loses only if they play poorly is pretty disingenuous. I made an honest effort to break the ducks down.

    Citadel can beat LSU if they play really well.

    The Citadel could play a perfect game and it would still require LSU to fudge it up big time for The Citadel to win that game. We're talking THE CITADEL.

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  • Not sure why we're partaking in the rumor, gossip, and innuendo game, but it's distasteful and somewhat unfair to be splashing this headline about a teenager from another team on this site.

    Hopefully the kid gets it together if these rumors are true, but let's not forget that he is someone's son and brother.

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  • ducklefty said...

    I would flip flop this (and it's not very close IMO) otherwise I agree with much of what you said. Mariotta would not have gone 80 yards in a real game on that play as the safety let up.

    We should be in good hands either way, but as you guys mention lack of experience will be a big factor. Especially when one enters the Coliseum without having faced a team half as good as you guys yet. Will be a reality check.

    I'll take your word on it since you follow UO football a helluva lot more than I do.

    I recall Bennet tearing up the poor Buffaloes last season... and despite how atrocious they were, they were at home and it wasn't two-hand-touch. I think Bennet's debut performance in a REAL game is more impressive than Mariota's debut performance in a scrimmage...

    Either way I think UO will lack good QB play until late in the season, BUT (!) I expect your QBs to be playing some good football come time for the conference championship game (unless Washington somehow sneaks in).

    Here's hoping for an exciting game (that SC wins) cheers

    This post was edited by Trojani on 5/21/2012 at 5:16 PM

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  • die yankees die said...

    Um. I'll say nuh-uh, then refer you to my previous post describing our OL.

    And trojanwarrior, do you call us the floats? I don't really get it. I suppose it's better than the zeros or the yucks.

    Ducks float in the water - derpity derpy derp! headslap moon cheers

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  • die yankees die said...

    Um. I'll say nuh-uh, then refer you to my previous post describing our OL.

    Keep believing that, but your OL is a weakness when you go up against s good DL. We had players in the backfield all night long.

    AbsenteeTrojan

  • Trojani said...

    I'll take your word on it since you follow UO football a helluva lot more than I do.

    I recall Bennet tearing up the poor Buffaloes last season... and despite how atrocious they were, they were at home and it wasn't two-hand-touch. I think Bennet's debut performance in a REAL game is more impressive than Mariota's debut performance in a scrimmage...

    Either way I think UO will lack good QB play until late in the season, BUT (!) I expect your QBs to be playing some good football come time for the conference championship game (unless Washington somehow sneaks in).

    Here's hoping for an exciting game (that SC wins) cheers

    I do agree with you here. Proving it in a game is a whole lot different than a scrimmage against a mostly B team defense. Not even comparable to playing a good team in a hostile environment.

    As a fan I despise our non conference schedule, but it may be a blessing in disguise this year.

    ducklefty

  • But lets be honest how hard is it to graduate from Hick, I mean Hill High?

    Joe_Jitsu

  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    What's the word on Bennett and the rumor that he will transfer if he is not named the starter?

    And no, people do not rent out their lawns for tailgating. However, they do for parking.

    The Bennett thing is 100% pure fan speculation, a what if scenario...

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  • OCanada said...

    The Bennett thing is 100% pure fan speculation, a what if scenario...

    There is a specific fan though, right?rumor

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    There is a specific fan though, right?rumor

    You've got a bit of an edge to you, brother.

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