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That's not a deflection. That was his answer to me. Go back and read it for yourself.

You just noticed? Pay attention...that's been going on for almost 10 years.

Because I understand the difference between having a job where I could be fired WITH compensation, compared to leaving a situation where I might not be able to play in a bowl game.

I don't know why people don't understand this.

I sell myself which offers a service. I do not sell a product, per se. I am more of a consultant that charges for my time and experience. However, yes, there are times when I am being generous too.

I never called myself philanthropic, that was your description. One can put others first and still be "capitalistic." Shocking, huh?

Nice to see that the off season is in full force. Nice topic that has been vomited on by drivel ........ Good job guys

From the very beginning I have been saying that, to Redd, his personal safety should come first. It's how he is going to make a living.

You've been getting all high and mighty about how his loyalty and "caring about others" should supersede that.

You make these arguments while clearly not living by your own words. The arguments you're making would essentially require you to put others above yourself at all times - and as a salesman I can guarantee that doesn't happen.

And that's not an insult, no one lives by your lofty standard other than a very select few.

I know. I was being a little bit of an ass, actually.

We think so highly of our kids for sticking through this NCAA mess, well, there are great kids all over the country. 18 - 20 year olds are just as capable of loyalty and brotherhood...idealism and "saving the world", their world, and an institution of learning they grew up loving.

Also; Barkley, McDonald and any other player on the current team wouldn't have been able to transfer without sitting out a year anyway. None were Juniors or Seniors.

You used Barkley staying as a way to show that he was "supremely loyal" and noble. I simply asked what that meant for Kalil.

If you feel it was OK for Kalil to leave his team behind to move on and improvebhis life, I simply want to point out that Redd would be doing something similar.

I don't see what's wrong with Redd doing what is in his best interest. most USC fans obviously feel that it was OK for Kalil to do the same.

Correct. Coaches who don't perform run the risk of being fired WITH compensation.

Players who don't perform run the risk of not having their scholly annually renewed - WITHOUT compensation.

So the issue with you really isn't one of loyalty to the band of brothers, but rather, compensation and the pursuit of better opportunities.

BTW, why limit the ONLY reason for a PSU player leaving to one of "not being able to play in a bowl game"?

Some may be repulsed at the thought of representing a University that perpetuated child abuse through their silence, while others may feel a degree from the school could now be tarnished.

This brings up an interesting question.

What is going to happen to the value of a PSU degree ?

Outside of central PA, being a grad of PSU is going to be looked at differently if for no other reason than subconscious revulsion over what Sandusky did and the fact the admin aided and abetted the crimes over a 14 year period.

I don't think most people will consciously discriminate against PSU grads, but I do think the PSU brand has been badly damaged.

All strong points brdcstr.

For Redd, or any of the players, whether it was SC or Oklahoma or wherever, I wouldn't hold anything against them transferring.

They were recruited by JoPa, bought into all his bullshit about the "Penn State Way", and have now found out that the PSU Way involved covering up the serial rape of youn boys in order to protect the program.

It would be very understandable for someone to feel lied to, used, disappointed, whatever, and want to get as far away from the scene of the crimes as possible.

These players didn't do anything wrong, and a desire for a fresh start is completely understandable.

For Redd in particular, there is also the physical aspect.
His body is his most important asset for an NFL career. He is a marked man in the PSU backfield, as he is their only real weapon, and he's running behind a mediocre offensive line. His body will take a lot less abuse splitting carries with Moody behind an excellent offensive line playing against defenses that are only playing seven in the box out of concern for Woods, Lee, etc.

And he would be getting excellent exposure playing for USC. Pro scouts will be watching every SC game this year, and a big performance vs a defense like LSU's or Bama's in the NC game could put him into the first round in next yea's draft if he has a strong season leading up to the NC game.

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If he comes to SC, I wi be ecstatic.

If he stays at PSU, good for him.

Either way, I won't judge him as a person, as there are no bad choices here.

The kid might have any number of personal reasons to do anything. I think USC went some way, both through its people and through the university itself, to earn the loyalty it got. I have no idea if PSU can say the same. I do know that Bill O'Brien has one hell of a job.

Y'know, I always marvel at both the ability of some people to weave their hate of Obama into an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with him as well as their hypocrisy. These people had no problem cheering on such players as Silas Redd, Lavar Arrington, and Ki-Jana Carter. But let something go wrong and we find out their true feelings. Yes I know most PSU fans aren't like the idiots in the above tweets, but enough of them are.