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As long as Phil Knight is alive, yes

Chip=Oregon. As long as they have him, they'll be competitive.

The facilities and big dollars haven't done much for Okie State since T Boone Pickens started pumping money into the facilities.

At the end of the day, recruits still have to decide if they want to live in Ewegene and Stoolwater to take advantage of the facilities.

It's not hard to convince kids to live in Eugene. Not all the "big time recruits" grow up in large cities or want to live in one. There's certainly pros and cons about both.

Chipper looks for kids that automatically come with speed, as much speed as he can find and adapts them into a system or position that will fit their size. That is all good but as you can see if you start matching speed with speed with kids that IMO have more athleticism, and not just raw speed with a mediocre or in need of development you can see the results. It becomes the equalizer and the athleticism starts to shine through. As teams catch up to the speed it will be only a matter of time and the jump to another conference or NFL will be inevitable.

I'm old enough to have seen several PAC teams flow in and out of dominance in the conference. Only USC has always come back....and that is reflected in the number of USC conference championships vs everyone else.

The quacks are a long way from proving they're even in the discussion.

Losing a close game to Auburn was pinnacle of that program. Well that and getting to wear those stupid "12-0" shirts.

Most of the Pac-12 teams have never had a period of dominance, USC, Washington, UCLA, and now Oregon. Clearly if Washington wants to move forward they need to start beating Oregon. Only USC has had a better 3 year run in the Pac 10/12 Conference (2 or less conference losses in 3 years).

Washington does have a great history of winning. They have never established themselves as a national elite, but they have historically done better than any of the other teams mentioned...especially Oregon.

They also have a decent in-state population with significant wealth...both of which are crucial.

Anyone who believes OR is a flash in the pan team must be new to college football and or a new USC bandwagoner. OR has been successful for over a decade. Successful not maybe by the lofty standards of USC's heritage, but definitely by the standards of the rest of the PAC.

Also, I believe people give Chip too much credit. OR had been on the rise due to Bellotti's tutelage and Chip inherited his recruits and took it to the next level. OR would survive the loss of Kelly just fine. However, I do agree that IF OR were to receive stiff sanctions they could not bounce back like USC has. No one in the PAC, and not many in the whole country, enjoys the inherent attractiveness for recruits like USC. SoCal sun and fun coupled with a hugely successful past in CFB will always make USC a top recruit destination. It's for these reasons alone that USC has so easily survived the BS sanctions they received.

As far as OR impending sanctions, no one knows what is going to happen. What i do know is OR still has not received a Notice of Allegations - which is strange because by NCAA protocol I believe they are over due. It's believed they will get a slap on the wrist because they operated in a gray area instead of in a black and white one. A gray area that will be closed or has already in recent NCAA changes. So far it hasn't negatively affected recruiting which could be indicative of what OR is expecting, but again no one knows for sure.

On the last point, what OR can really boast about is the level of success they have achieved with less than stellar recruiting rankings. If OR could field a USC type Defense coupled with their standard video game like Offense, they would be a dynasty. But low and behold they have not been able to recruit more than a couple great defensive players a year.

I foresee USC and OR battling it out for the next few years minimum.

As long as Oregon has an elite coach, the Ducks will have an elite program. It's really that simple. Oregon had a good program from 2000-2008, and has been elite 2009-2011 (and likely 2012 and 2013). the difference has been Chip Kelly. If Chip stays a long time or if the ducks hire a great replacement, I think Oregon continues to be a formidable program. I don't think Oregon gets harsh sanctions either.

Debateable.

With who?

They were 42 games over .500.
4 10+win seasons.