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One less QB in the stable...

  • jrblakstar said...

    This kid is a pure athlete and plays hard...

    Just can't see the coaches offering a scholy to a kid that may or may never see game time, becomes even more magnified with reductions. At some point you just have to figure if you're down to playing your 3rd/4th string QB due to what ever reason, it's probably just not your year anyway.

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  • ProUSC said...

    Just can't see the coaches offering a scholy to a kid that may or may never see game time, becomes even more magnified with reductions. At some point you just have to figure if you're down to playing your 3rd/4th string QB due to what ever reason, it's probably just not your year anyway.

    You bugging my phone convo's?

    Almost verbatim...weird.

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  • ProUSC said...

    Just can't see the coaches offering a scholy to a kid that may or may never see game time, becomes even more magnified with reductions. At some point you just have to figure if you're down to playing your 3rd/4th string QB due to what ever reason, it's probably just not your year anyway.

    Yea, I'm thinking along these lines. As much as everyone has valid arguments for taking a 2nd QB, with sanctions it just doesn't seem the smart thing to do. We're going to be playing with less depth than we would like in multiple areas and as odd as it may seem, QB is probably the area where you should cut back the most on having a bunch of scholarship guys (only one spot, usually is the starter for the whole season)

    me9rob

  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    You bugging my phone convo's?

    Almost verbatim...weird.

    I wish. I'd probably have ton more insider info. lol

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    If SC did not have the limitations in place then it would be a no-brainer, However, the staff is not going to give a scholarship to player that may play 3-5 plays per game when they can have a RB run the wildcat 3-5 times per game.

    There are other coaching staffs out there that see Stanton as an athlete and are recruiting him as such. He can play FB/H-back and be very valuable on STs. It is just an added benefit that he can play QB in an emergency.

    Taking a 2nd QB that is purely a QB would be a waste of a ride. Taking a 2nd QB that can be a starting FB one day isn't.

    TrojanMindSC

  • me9rob said...

    Yea, I'm thinking along these lines. As much as everyone has valid arguments for taking a 2nd QB, with sanctions it just doesn't seem the smart thing to do. We're going to be playing with less depth than we would like in multiple areas and as odd as it may seem, QB is probably the area where you should cut back the most on having a bunch of scholarship guys (only one spot, usually is the starter for the whole season)

    It is also by far the most important position on the field. If USC has Max Browne and Wittek/Kessler and both get injured, you might as well write off the season if you are down to a walk-on QB.

    You aren't writing off a season if you lose any other position. If you lose a LB, you can create a special defense and move a safety into the box. You get down on a DE, you can move a bigger LB to DE or a DT out for different down and distances. Lose your DB and move a WR over.

    You play with less depth at LB/DB/WR, you don't risk less depth at QB, OL, DL.

    TrojanMindSC

  • TrojanMindSC said...

    There are other coaching staffs out there that see Stanton as an athlete and are recruiting him as such. He can play FB/H-back and be very valuable on STs. It is just an added benefit that he can play QB in an emergency.

    Taking a 2nd QB that is purely a QB would be a waste of a ride. Taking a 2nd QB that can be a starting FB one day isn't.

    "That can be" is still wasting a schollie. That's what preferred walk-ons will be used for.

    The other staffs have roster room to offer him as an athlete...USC does not. It's really that simple.

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  • TrojanMindSC said...

    It is also by far the most important position on the field. If USC has Max Browne and Wittek/Kessler and both get injured, you might as well write off the season if you are down to a walk-on QB.

    You aren't writing off a season if you lose any other position. If you lose a LB, you can create a special defense and move a safety into the box. You get down on a DE, you can move a bigger LB to DE or a DT out for different down and distances. Lose your DB and move a WR over.

    You play with less depth at LB/DB/WR, you don't risk less depth at QB, OL, DL.

    Agree with your assessment.Fight On JS.

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  • TrojanMindSC said...

    It is also by far the most important position on the field. If USC has Max Browne and Wittek/Kessler and both get injured, you might as well write off the season if you are down to a walk-on QB.

    You aren't writing off a season if you lose any other position. If you lose a LB, you can create a special defense and move a safety into the box. You get down on a DE, you can move a bigger LB to DE or a DT out for different down and distances. Lose your DB and move a WR over.

    You play with less depth at LB/DB/WR, you don't risk less depth at QB, OL, DL.

    I get what you're saying, but like ProUSC said, if your QB's just keep getting injured at some point you gotta think that it's just not your year. Like are we really expecting to win a championship after losing TWO qb's?

    And you can still win games even with sub par QB play as long as you have a good run game and a good defense, but you need to have very good depth for a good run game and stingy D.

    Basically I see it like this: with sanctions you're gonna have areas with low depth. So why have a position go 3 or 4 deep when only one guy is gonna play at a time and doesn't need to be subbed in regularly like most other positions on the field? Instead, why not use those scholarships to shore up our o line (to make sure we got a good run game and can actually protect our QB) or our d line (you can win A LOT of games if you have a nasty dline with plenty of depth). Just my two cents.

    This post was edited by me9rob on 5/24/2012 at 11:41 PM

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  • me9rob said...

    I get what you're saying, but like ProUSC said, if your QB's just keep getting injured at some point you gotta think that it's just not your year. Like are we really expecting to win a championship after losing TWO qb's?

    And you can still win games even with sub par QB play as long as you have a good run game and a good defense, but you need to have very good depth for a good run game and stingy D.

    Basically I see it like this: with sanctions you're gonna have areas with low depth. So why have a position go 3 or 4 deep when only one guy is gonna play at a time and doesn't need to be subbed in regularly like most other positions on the field? Instead, why not use those scholarships to shore up our o line (to make sure we got a good run game and can actually protect our QB) or our d line (you can win A LOT of games if you have a nasty dline with plenty of depth). Just my two cents.

    I agree

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  • Ya, although the need for a 2nd QB is pretty high its probably just not in the cards with the schollie reductions. If the staff feels like stanton could be a good contributor at another position on the field, then I think it could be a good move. If not, probably just chance it and hope both kessler and wittek stay.

    winning7

  • If we actually get to a point where we don't have a healthy scholarship QB left, I wonder if it would be better for the team if the coaches plug in a 5th year walk on like Emon Saee or Anthony Neyer who probably has a good command of the playbook and just manages the offense.

    We have to remember that a 2nd QB will still be a true freshman next year, not sure that would be an upgrade over a veteran walk on. And if we really want a wildcat/emergency QB, Tre Madden played wildcat QB at Mission Viejo.

    gtroy05

  • Good luck to JS, great kid that has been fighting up hill his whole career here. A fresh start may get him kick started.

    SCWARTM

  • TrojanMindSC said...

    There are other coaching staffs out there that see Stanton as an athlete and are recruiting him as such. He can play FB/H-back and be very valuable on STs. It is just an added benefit that he can play QB in an emergency.

    Taking a 2nd QB that is purely a QB would be a waste of a ride. Taking a 2nd QB that can be a starting FB one day isn't.

    I agree with this...to a certain extent.

    At the end of the recuiting year right before signing day, we find out who is coming to SC and who we missed on.
    When we miss on a few guys it always seems like we have a couple rides left over. We either roll it over to sign a guy the following year as an early enrollee, OR we offer a "back-up plan" player at the last minute.

    Isnt this what we did with Devian Shelton out of Inglewood?

    Maybe do the same with Stanton? If we get all the players we are after and fill all our rides then great! If we have a couple left over from guys we missed, thats when you start offering fringe guys like Stanton.

    Pitzrrr

  • Does Garrett Green have any eligibility left?

    Heavincent12985

  • No real need to take a second QB imo. 3 scholarship QBs at a time is enough given the limitations

    USCoregonian

  • gtroy05 said...

    If we actually get to a point where we don't have a healthy scholarship QB left, I wonder if it would be better for the team if the coaches plug in a 5th year walk on like Emon Saee or Anthony Neyer who probably has a good command of the playbook and just manages the offense.

    We have to remember that a 2nd QB will still be a true freshman next year, not sure that would be an upgrade over a veteran walk on. And if we really want a wildcat/emergency QB, Tre Madden played wildcat QB at Mission Viejo.

    Totally agree, and these guys accumulate a lot of practice reps (just not necessarily in the full team sessions) over time. It's going to be a pretty dire situation any way you consider it. I would expect the coaches to shift very heavily to run and max protection if we ever really were down to our last scholarship QB, let alone HIS backup. This is kind of ridiculous conjecture anyway, when was the last time a scenario like this came about at that position?

    The better argument for a 2nd QB this year or offering a guy in 2014 is the simple fact that it's never a given anyone fulfills their potential, even someone as talented as Max Browne.

    This post was edited by elum07 on 5/25/2012 at 12:08 PM

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  • Julio Nievas said...

    Damn. Well, good luck to him.

    By the way, will people say otherwise to TrojanmindSC now? You know who you are.

    http://usc.247sports.com/Board/29/Does-USC-need-a-2nd-QB-in-this-class--9726326/1

    Don't be obtuse -- of course people will change their minds, the situation is now different. Different scenarios require different solutions...not to mention that there is now a scholarship open that has already been allocated to the position group.

    I would also postulate that losing Scroggins is more damaging, from a backup perspective, becasue he would have been in the system and is better acquainted with it than a new recruit.

    banghead

    PS -- the scenario presented in that thread was that Wittek or Kessler would be leaving...that is not the case.

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  • Did Jesse actually contact another team about transferring before telling CLK or CLK telling him that he is gone? Any college anywhere must, by rule, report that back to the head coach if that happens. I wonder...

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