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Is there room for three RB?

  • Scott, do you think we bring two RB's this year? Justin Davis and Ty Issac have been offered and have shown strong interest.

    IMHO the only way we take a 3rd RB is if he is a total difference maker, what are your thoughts on Craig Lee? Three RB in one class is asking for trouble (transfer issues/RB by committee)

    Are there studs RB's out West in the 2014 class? I know Servite had a young stud Sophmore last yr that showed potential

    Scott I appreciate your work and commitment to this site

    WarSC

  • WarSC said...

    Scott, do you think we bring two RB's this year? Justin Davis and Ty Issac have been offered and have shown strong interest.

    IMHO the only way we take a 3rd RB is if he is a total difference maker, what are your thoughts on Craig Lee? Three RB in one class is asking for trouble (transfer issues/RB by committee)

    Are there studs RB's out West in the 2014 class? I know Servite had a young stud Sophmore last yr that showed potential

    Scott I appreciate your work and commitment to this site

    Obviously I'm not Scott, but I'd love to see SC get all three of Davis, Isaac and Lee for multiple reasons.

    1. RB by committee's not a bad thing in my eyes. It's the way the game has evolved. No position takes more punishment and no position needs more depth. And given how thin SC is at RB right now, an infusion of 3 studs would be most welcome.

    2. Having guys with different skill sets gives opposing Ds more problems. Change of pace from Big back to breakaway/ home run hitter is a good thing. Lee's speed in the open field would be an excellent weapon.

    3. You never know who is going to get hit by an injury, (see Madden, Tre) or which highly touted recruit will wash out due to off-field issues (Baxter, Dillon) or who might transfer unexpectedly (Carlisle, Amir). In other words, even though a roster may look loaded, the depth can be quickly depleted over the course of a season.

    //

    Moody is the only known quantity at RB at the moment.

    When he graduates, SC will be looking at a RB roster consisting of:

    a player coming off and ACL injury, a player who seems to have nagging injury issues and a player who has shown a propensity to fumble.

    I'm not knocking any of these three guys. All three have had a bad break at some point (knee injuries) and any of them could turn out to be a star. But they also might turn out to be guys who just have bad luck with injuries (or fumbles).

    I didn't use anyone's name because I wanted to emphasize objectivity. How would we look at SC's current RB depth behind Moody if it was another team's depth chart ?

    Once Moody is gone, there will be a lot of questions at RB.

    So I would have no problem adding three 2013 guys to that mix who could compete for PT as true freshmen.

    //

    Having said all that, assuming SC gets both Davis and Isaac, I think it will come down to how Craig Lee performs in camp and what players (especially OOS guys) end up coming at other positions.

    If SC gets guys like Adams, VH3, Johnson, Sherit (or another DE), Lacy (or Falah), then there simply might not be room for another RB, no matter how good he is.

    But if Craig Lee blows the coaches away at camp, maybe he gets his offer and that's that.

    I know I sound like a broken record on this, but I think it's important to have guys like Craig in the program, who are both athletically gifted but also are dying to be Trojans and have humble, hard-working attitudes. Guys who are willing to earn what they get and not expecting to have everything given to them.

    Guys like that help immensely in every aspect of a program.

    This post was edited by USCTraveler on 4/23/2012 at 11:14 PM

    USCTraveler

  • I say no more than 2. We only lose Mcneil after this season, and we get Madden back.

    Over-recruiting at back and reciever will have some huge negative consequences. If we do overrecruit in certain areas I would do so
    1. D-line
    2. O-line
    3. Secondary
    4. Linebackers

    QB's, runningbacks and recievers have to be better managed as far as recruiting numbers go, given our scholarship limitations.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • USCTraveler said...

    Obviously I'm not Scott, but I'd love to see SC get all three of Davis, Isaac and Lee for multiple reasons.

    1. RB by committee's not a bad thing in my eyes. It's the way the game has evolved. No position takes more punishment and no position needs more depth. And given how thin SC is at RB right now, an infusion of 3 studs would be most welcome.

    2. Having guys with different skill sets gives opposing Ds more problems. Change of pace from Big back to breakaway/ home run hitter is a good thing. Lee's speed in the open field would be an excellent weapon.

    3. You never know who is going to get hit by an injury, (see Madden, Tre) or which highly touted recruit will wash out due to off-field issues (Baxter, Dillon) or who might transfer unexpectedly (Carlisle, Amir). In other words, even though a roster may look loaded, the depth can be quickly depleted over the course of a season.

    //

    Moody is the only known quantity at RB at the moment.

    When he graduates, SC will be looking at a RB roster consisting of:

    a player coming off and ACL injury, a player who seems to have nagging injury issues and a player who has shown a propensity to fumble.

    I'm not knocking any of these three guys. All three have had a bad break at some point (knee injuries) and any of them could turn out to be a star. But they also might turn out to be guys who just have bad luck with injuries (or fumbles).

    I didn't use anyone's name because I wanted to emphasize objectivity. How would we look at SC's current RB depth behind Moody if it was another team's depth chart ?

    Once Moody is gone, there will be a lot of questions at RB.

    So I would have no problem adding three 2013 guys to that mix who could compete for PT as true freshmen.

    //

    Having said all that, assuming SC gets both Davis and Isaac, I think it will come down to how Craig Lee performs in camp and what players (especially OOS guys) end up coming at other positions.

    If SC gets guys like Adams, VH3, Johnson, Sherit (or another DE), Lacy (or Falah), then there simply might not be room for another RB, no matter how good he is.

    But if Craig Lee blows the coaches away at camp, maybe he gets his offer and that's that.

    I know I sound like a broken record on this, but I think it's important to have guys like Craig in the program, who are both athletically gifted but also are dying to be Trojans and have humble, hard-working attitudes. Guys who are willing to earn what they get and not expecting to have everything given to them.

    Guys like that help immensely in every aspect of a program.

    Stellar post Traveler, and I agree wholeheartedly. Craig also provides a different dimension than JD and Isaac as a pure speed back; DJ Morgan is the only one who fits that description and we still have to see how he looks a full two seasons removed from that ACL tear (incidentally the same reason why nobody should be banking on Tre Madden as a huge contributor next year; that's a two-year recovery process).

    If Craig merits the offer, then I think it would be a nice addition. At the same time, they shouldn't take three just to hit a numbers quota; carrying one fewer body is better than using a scholarship on a player who isn't SC caliber. Ultimately, the determining factor is probably Craig himself - if he puts on a show at the RSC, he probably can earn an offer regardless of if we land both of Davis and Isaac before then.

    This post was edited by FelixTheCat322 on 4/23/2012 at 11:36 PM

    FelixTheCat322

  • FelixTheCat322 said...

    Stellar post Traveler, and I agree wholeheartedly. Craig also provides a different dimension than JD and Isaac as a pure speed back; DJ Morgan is the only one who fits that description and we still have to see how he looks a full two seasons removed from that ACL tear (incidentally the same reason why nobody should be banking on Tre Madden as a huge contributor next year; that's a two-year recovery process).

    If Craig merits the offer, then I think it would be a nice addition. At the same time, they shouldn't take three just to hit a numbers quota; carrying one fewer body is better than using a scholarship on a player who isn't SC caliber. Ultimately, the determining factor is probably Craig himself - if he puts on a show at the RSC, he probably can earn an offer regardless of if we land both of Davis and Isaac before then.

    I understand what you're saying, but I don't really think the ACL tear has been slowing DJ down. It's been fumbling issues more than anything.

    me9rob

  • I see: 3 S, 2 CB, 2 LB, 2 DE, 1 DT, 1 QB, 2 OL, 2 WR, 2 RB. The last spot I see going to the best player on the board, regardless of position.... or maybe a fullback/tight end/h back like Chans Cox.

    Chris Swanson

  • Chris Swanson said...

    I see: 3 S, 2 CB, 2 LB, 2 DE, 1 DT, 1 QB, 2 OL, 2 WR, 2 RB. The last spot I see going to the best player on the board, regardless of position.... or maybe a fullback/tight end/h back like Chans Cox.

    2 WR is 1 too many. I would really like 2 DT'.s

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • Chris Swanson said...

    I see: 3 S, 2 CB, 2 LB, 2 DE, 1 DT, 1 QB, 2 OL, 2 WR, 2 RB. The last spot I see going to the best player on the board, regardless of position.... or maybe a fullback/tight end/h back like Chans Cox.

    The way USC is targeting DL, I would be shocked if they only took 1 more in this class besides Bigelow and Fitts.

    TrojanMindSC

  • Chris Swanson said...

    I see: 3 S, 2 CB, 2 LB, 2 DE, 1 DT, 1 QB, 2 OL, 2 WR, 2 RB. The last spot I see going to the best player on the board, regardless of position.... or maybe a fullback/tight end/h back like Chans Cox.


    I want one more cornerback or defensive tackle.

    USCTraveler80

  • I would like to see

    5 DB's
    2 LB'ers
    4 DL
    1 wr
    1 back
    0 TE's
    1 QB
    3 OL
    1 left over for next best available player

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    I would like to see

    5 DB's 2 LB'ers 4 DL 1 wr 1 back 0 TE's 1 QB 3 OL 1 left over for next best available player

    2 RBs is a must in this class. That would make 5 for the 2013 season with one coming off an ACL.

    Wouldn't take more than 2 OL either. That would put USC at 13 with Temple potentially being 14.

    TrojanMindSC

  • TrojanMindSC said...

    2 RBs is a must in this class. That would make 5 for the 2013 season with one coming off an ACL.

    Wouldn't take more than 2 OL either. That would put USC at 13 with Temple potentially being 14.

    I think we would be ok with 4 backs and Nelson Agholor as a tweener. Fullbacks could always be used in an emergency.

    13 OL is good. I would not want to be in a position where we have to count on an O-linemen until their R-soph season.

    This post was edited by MJRuffalo on 4/24/2012 at 12:27 AM

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • me9rob said...

    I understand what you're saying, but I don't really think the ACL tear has been slowing DJ down. It's been fumbling issues more than anything.

    In the spring that's been the case but he looked noticeably slower last season than he did he high school. Good news is he seems to be past it but I'm waiting to see it with my own eyes this season before I'm fully at ease with it

    FelixTheCat322

  • FelixTheCat322 said...

    Stellar post Traveler, and I agree wholeheartedly. Craig also provides a different dimension than JD and Isaac as a pure speed back; DJ Morgan is the only one who fits that description and we still have to see how he looks a full two seasons removed from that ACL tear (incidentally the same reason why nobody should be banking on Tre Madden as a huge contributor next year; that's a two-year recovery process).

    If Craig merits the offer, then I think it would be a nice addition. At the same time, they shouldn't take three just to hit a numbers quota; carrying one fewer body is better than using a scholarship on a player who isn't SC caliber. Ultimately, the determining factor is probably Craig himself - if he puts on a show at the RSC, he probably can earn an offer regardless of if we land both of Davis and Isaac before then.

    Felix-

    we are definitely on the same page here.

    Madden could well be looking at two years to get back to 100%. Just being realistic given the nature of the injury.

    I think a combination of Craig's performance (if he wows the coaches to a point where they feel like they can't pass on him) could seal the deal for him, or it could be a late offer where they keep in touch with him and then take him if some of the big targets from OOS start to slip away.

    USCTraveler

  • 3 RB in one class is a bad idea. One will end up transferring.

    rkinslow

  • MJRuffalo said...

    2 WR is 1 too many. I would really like 2 DT'.s

    I agree, but it's interesting that the coaches are telling prospects that they are taking two- one big WR and a slot WR.

    I think they are definitely taking another DT.

    USCTraveler

  • MJRuffalo said...

    I would like to see

    5 DB's 2 LB'ers 4 DL 1 wr 1 back 0 TE's 1 QB 3 OL 1 left over for next best available player

    Got to have at least two RBs no matter what.

    I'd go 2 OL and 3 RB, but I think it will ultimately come down to who wants to come to SC.

    They're not passing on Adams or VH3 for a 3rd RB. Same with Falah or Lacy I would imagine.

    But they might take a 3rd RB (if it's Lee and he impresses them) over an interior OL like Rogers.

    //

    Probably easier to plug in names here though instead of just position numbers.

    1 QB - Browne
    2 RB - J. Davis, T. Isaac
    2 WR- Johnson or Massington and a slot guy
    2 OT - N. Falah and Lacy or Pocic
    2 DT - K. Bigelow, M. Adams or some other FL/GA guy or Vanderdoes
    2 DE - Fitts and Sherit or Mathis
    2 S - Cravens, Redfield or Goodman
    3 CB - Hawkins, Willis, Johnson
    1 LB - Hutchings

    That would leave one slot open.

    If VH3 says he's coming or if Goodman and Redfield both commit, then they probably go w/ 6 DBs given the offenses in the PAC now.

    Otherwise, if that slot stays open, or if Lee blows them away at camp, perhaps he becomes the 3rd RB.

    It's going to be fascinating to watch.

    USCTraveler

  • MJRuffalo said...2 WR is 1 too many. I would really like 2 DT'.s

    The coaches have told prospects that they are looking to take 2 wide receivers

    Chris Swanson

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  • TrojanMindSC said...The way USC is targeting DL, I would be shocked if they only took 1 more in this class besides Bigelow and Fitts.

    We've offered 15, but only 3 guys from california.

    Chris Swanson

  • rkinslow said...

    3 RB in one class is a bad idea. One will end up transferring.


    I'm all for taking 3 RB's, but only if they move

    Allen Bradford to defense!!

    lol

    sorry, I just couldn't resist

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • QB- Max Browne
    RB- Justin Davis, Ty Isaac
    WR- 2 (Massington, Daniels, Stringfellow, Owusu)
    OL- 2 ( Lacy, Fallah, Lopez, Crane, Harlow, Rogers)
    TE- 0

    DL- Bigelow, Fitts, NT, WDE
    LB- Hutchings, Cravens
    S- Redfield, Goodman,
    CB- Hawkins, Willis, Hargreaves/Johnson

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    I would like to see

    1 left over for next best available player

    This I really agree with.
    Right now, we have 14 Seniors. Who knows if Woods and Robey stay for their Senior seasons. And who knows if anyone transfers, washes out.
    I keep looking to 2014, when we come off scholarship limits. If we have 1-2 EE slots left, that lets CLK take 26-27 kids in that recruiting class.

    There's always going to be good talent out there. No need to over-fill the 2013 class when we can still get quality kids in 2014....

    JCakus

  • USCTraveler said...

    Obviously I'm not Scott, but I'd love to see SC get all three of Davis, Isaac and Lee for multiple reasons.

    1. RB by committee's not a bad thing in my eyes. It's the way the game has evolved. No position takes more punishment and no position needs more depth. And given how thin SC is at RB right now, an infusion of 3 studs would be most welcome.

    2. Having guys with different skill sets gives opposing Ds more problems. Change of pace from Big back to breakaway/ home run hitter is a good thing. Lee's speed in the open field would be an excellent weapon.

    3. You never know who is going to get hit by an injury, (see Madden, Tre) or which highly touted recruit will wash out due to off-field issues (Baxter, Dillon) or who might transfer unexpectedly (Carlisle, Amir). In other words, even though a roster may look loaded, the depth can be quickly depleted over the course of a season.

    //

    Moody is the only known quantity at RB at the moment.

    When he graduates, SC will be looking at a RB roster consisting of:

    a player coming off and ACL injury, a player who seems to have nagging injury issues and a player who has shown a propensity to fumble.

    I'm not knocking any of these three guys. All three have had a bad break at some point (knee injuries) and any of them could turn out to be a star. But they also might turn out to be guys who just have bad luck with injuries (or fumbles).

    I didn't use anyone's name because I wanted to emphasize objectivity. How would we look at SC's current RB depth behind Moody if it was another team's depth chart ?

    Once Moody is gone, there will be a lot of questions at RB.

    So I would have no problem adding three 2013 guys to that mix who could compete for PT as true freshmen.

    //

    Having said all that, assuming SC gets both Davis and Isaac, I think it will come down to how Craig Lee performs in camp and what players (especially OOS guys) end up coming at other positions.

    If SC gets guys like Adams, VH3, Johnson, Sherit (or another DE), Lacy (or Falah), then there simply might not be room for another RB, no matter how good he is.

    But if Craig Lee blows the coaches away at camp, maybe he gets his offer and that's that.

    I know I sound like a broken record on this, but I think it's important to have guys like Craig in the program, who are both athletically gifted but also are dying to be Trojans and have humble, hard-working attitudes. Guys who are willing to earn what they get and not expecting to have everything given to them.

    Guys like that help immensely in every aspect of a program.

    That's my boy...said it all so eloquently!

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  • WarSC said...

    Are there studs RB's out West in the 2014 class? I know Servite had a young stud Sophmore last yr that showed potential

    Nathan Starks from Bishop Gorman will be a national recruit at both safety and RB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvn7b40Orv0

    Kurt Scoby, who transferred from Charter Oak and is headed to either Duarte or Monrovia, is also a very talented kid who is much like McNeal http://247sports.com/Player/Kurt-Scoby-17941

    And Royce Freeman from the San Diego area http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/2Q_4WDebTUaZHqkLqeT0kg/football-fall-11/stats-royce-freeman.htm

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by stoptothink on 4/24/2012 at 10:52 AM

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