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usctrojan1 said...
No kidding. I think a big misconception out here is the whole "SEC! SEC! SEC!" thing.....y'all really hate each other..with a passion - you just join together vs "outsiders".
I've heard some hair-raising things directly from SEC fans in the South about the back door back stabbing and hate among the programs...and they certainly didn't try to hide it. I would say, SEC hate between y'all is greater than anything we experience out here. Coach Riley of Oregon State made reference to that in an interview when the USC sanctions were first announced. He played in the SEC - Alabama, I believe.
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JCakus said...
I definitely root for the Pac-12 to do well during the season and especially during the bowls (except for fUCLA, that is...). If the Pac-12 were to go 36-0 (unlikely, I know) in their OOC slate, then it helps the voter's perceptions that the conference is strong. Until a playoff system is in place, CFB is still a beauty pageant.
I think Larry Scott may have set back the Pac-12 with his proclamation that all neutral site games be covered by the Pac-12 Network. If we can't get the SEC to do more home-and-home's then neutral site games are the way to go, but it looks like those may be going away now....
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Spartrojan said...
"Aren't you tired of watching your conference ilk play meaningless OOC games and then bust out the ol', "well we play in the SEC blah blah blah" doctrine that you all seem to memorize like your favorite Bible verse?"
"But don't ever "Bible verse" me again.
Not my schtick."
"The 3 most important things in the south... God, Football, and Family. Mix up the order anyway you like."
"So God is third on your list?"
The context is you inviting him to personalize it. Don't talk down to me like I'm an idiot. I've got nothing against you, I just like objectivity, and want people to feel invited here.
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BetterOff said...
This is very true.
If you take the 10 best teams in football last year, both the PAC12 and the SEC had 3 each. Bama, LSU, Arkansas, Oregon, USC, and Stanford.
The SEC benefits from showing up big in big games, namely the BCSCG's lately and the bowl games which to some don't matter, but when people are debating the SEC/Big12 and Arkansas (who both LSU and Bama beat by more than 3 TDS) beats Kansas St it means something. When you look at the #4 team in the SEC West in 2010 (Bama) beating the co-champion from the B1G 49-7, people notice.
I would love to see parody among all the conferences and to get to a playoff system. I know things worked out for us last year and did so for you guys in 2004, but I would love to see the questioning ended on the field. I do think that SC team was the best team in 2004, but I do think Auburn was better than OU.
We just need to get to a playoff and I would honestly rather it be 8 teams instead of 4. I know 4 takes some of the debate out, but if you want the best, 8 would open the door to a team like Boise or TCU in previous years and give them a chance.
This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 4/9/2012 at 12:50 PM
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usctrojan1 said...
I think that Oklahoma team was a much better team than the one that played that night in the NC game. The Trojans went into that game with a massive chip on their shoulders, and something to prove. Auburns poor schedule did them in, that's the way it goes.
I've heard the argument from Auburn fans regarding the shared opponent - VTech. USC beat them in the first game of the season 24-13, while Auburn beat them 16-13 at the end of the year. What is always failed to mention is...USC was fielding a brand new, inexperienced offensive line the beginning of the 2004 season, with first time starters. Leinart and Fred Matua were the only starters returning on offense, the coaches had to pull a RT to protect Matt's blind side, out of the JC ranks. The RBs were starting for the first time, so were the WRs. It takes a while for an offensive line to gel, we definitely went into that first game with a ton of questions on the line. Auburn had a veteran team, with a lot of playmakers...I would have loved to see what the score would have been if USC played V-Tech at the end of the season.
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BetterOff said...
He was an ALL-SEC DB for Coach Bryant.
I think a lot of everything gets overblown on tBB as you know. I don't experience the hate near as much when traveling to other schools. The rivalries though can be hateful at times. I think cheering for the conference is just a Southern thing. I don't know why, but people want their neighbors to do well as it represents positively on them. I am not quite sure why other conferences don't do the same, especially the ones that have been around have the same base of teams like the SEC, B1G, and PAC12.
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I'm going to say this, I hope it comes out right, because there is zero disrespect.
The PAC-12 is extremely competitive, in all sports, but the California schools extend that rivalry to every aspect universities can compete. Academics, location, quality of students and GPAs, the Song Girls, everything you can compete in..not just football. We have a tremendous number of great athletes in California, not all of them dream of being football players - that fact is reflected in the number of NCAA championships won by PAC-12 teams - ranked #1, 2 and 3 in the country. We compete with two of the top public academic universities in the country, plus an elite private university that excels in all round athletics. Competing against that makes us value our independence from each other, and strive harder to outdo each other, in spectacular pissing contests, lol.
We're not defined by football - we're highly competitive in every-freakin-thing!
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Spartrojan said...
While no one is going to argue the SEC is superior in academics to the PAC-12, there are some, hmm, less highly thought of? schools in the PAC-12, while the SEC has it's share of great institutions in Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and now TAMU and Mizzou. I'm probably missing one or two as well.
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Spartrojan said...
Really, enough of the talking down to me. That is actually NOT what the context is here, so I'd suggest you whip out a dictionary before trying to school someone on the definition of a word again. Do a google search. Something. No one is disagreeing that is the general theme in the South, I said so myself, just a few posts back. I have been to the South, my dad is FROM the South. I outlined the context from the argument, and it's all readily available for you to read again in it's original form if you click back to the first page of this thread and read from there.
I don't want to get into an argument on the internet, especially with someone who isn't willing to admit when they are wrong and instead resorts to ad hominem attacks. Please either bring some new insight to this, show me something I missed, or drop it.
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I'm going to say this, I hope it comes out right, because there is zero disrespect.
The PAC-12 is extremely competitive, in all sports, but the California schools extend that rivalry to every aspect universities can compete. Academics, location, quality of students and GPAs, the Song Girls, everything you can compete in..not just football. We have a tremendous number of great athletes in California, not all of them dream of being football players - that fact is reflected in the number of NCAA championships won by PAC-12 teams - ranked #1, 2 and 3 in the country. We compete with two of the top public academic universities in the country, plus an elite private university that excels in all round athletics. Competing against that makes us value our independence from each other, and strive harder to outdo each other, in spectacular pissing contests, lol.
We're not defined by football - we're highly competitive in every-freakin-thing!
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While no one is going to argue the SEC is superior in academics to the PAC-12, there are some, hmm, less highly thought of? schools in the PAC-12, while the SEC has it's share of great institutions in Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and now TAMU and Mizzou. I'm probably missing one or two as well.
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BetterOff said...
I think you will find that true in a lot of places. California as a state is different with its size and that it can support many major Universities.
To the sports angle.
When you look down the list of other sports, USC is very high in a lot of them. The PAC12 and SEC are closer to each other in the "Olympic" and spring sports than most conferences, along with schools in Texas based on weather to some degree.
Look at baseball, softball, gymnastics, swimming/diving, golf, track and field/cross country and tennis and you will find schools from both littering the rankings.
You won't find many more heated rivalries better than Alabama/Georgia Gymnastics. It is hard to imagine gymnastics getting ugly, but does between the two. lol
When you look at the CWS for baseball, you'll usually find 3 SEC/southern ACC schools, 2 Texas schools, 2 PAC12 schools, and a team like Pepperdine (most beautiful campus in the nation as well) or someone of that nature.
The same in softball.....3 SEC schools, 3 PAC 12 schools, and 2 Texas schools.
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BetterOff said...
UNA is Div II. I would bet that most years, San Jose St would crush them.
Yes, there are very good FCS teams that could beat 30 or 40% of the FBS teams. I agree with that, but no in a big way to UNA. They just happened to have 3 or 4 good FBS transfers, but they still couldn't win the Div II title any of those years.
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So God is third on your list?
Giving the new guy a little "welcome to the board" initiation with some classic TW humor today, brother ?
I think Better is holding up well on here, but am glad (as John Houseman used to say) he's "eaaarrrnnnn"-ing it.
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BetterOff said...
Vandy, Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, Alabama, Auburn, and Missouri are the schools listed by US News in the top 100, in that order.
The issue with academics is that 6 of the now 14 SEC schools were founded as land grant Universities. They were supposed to only support citizens of the state and were founded as an alternative to the other schools as affordable locations (if tuition reached "X" amount, they would lose their funding) to further one's education in more specialized areas. Since the 60's or so, the trend has changed with the needs of the population and these schools have attempted to become more well-rounded and for that lack of a better wording, better schools. Those are Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Kentucky, Mississippi St, and Tennessee. Out of those, only Auburn is in the top 100 as of now.
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