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Does USC have a championship defense in 2012?

  • Back in 2010 during practice in August I had a bad feeling. No tackling in practice, and no one was where they needed to be. It's impossible to do what you need to do if you are not where you're supposed to be. The old saying is, "You can't get there from here!"

    Last year in camp USC's offense wasn't showing the Trojan defense anything they would be seeing during the year. So it was hard to read the defense's progress.

    The Pac 12's addition of more good offensive head coaches is going to make things even more difficult.

    But I feel a lot better about this year's USC defense. I'm not a guy that thinks the key is, "9 starters coming back equals a good defense." If the 9 starters didn't play well in 2011, one year's experience may not improve a defense that much. You might be better off if the group graduated.

    But from what I've seen in individual performances, depth, and the defense working in scrimmages and practices, I love the back seven on defense. They are where they are supposed to be doing what they need to do.

    Sanders and Hazelton are doing a great job so far. The back 2/3 of USC's defense is going to be very good. Remember, USC plays in a good offensive conference. The Pac 12 has QBs that can pass. It isn't the SEC. USC won't lead any national statistics, but it's back seven is going to be plenty good enough to win games in the Pac 12.

    MLB is going to be the key in the back seven. Can Lamar Dawson execute all Monte Kiffin expects his MLB to do? Or will we see the middle of the field wide open in last minute drives like we have seen the past two year?. Will the opposing QB see Dawson bailing out or balling? Can Lamar be where he is supposed to be with games on the line?

    Right now I can't think of anyone in the starting back seven or their backups that didn't improve during the spring.

    Stanford's defense should be down this year. Oregon could not stop USC last year. The Ducks won't be able to stop USC this year. I'm not sure anyone on USC's schedule will be able to hold in check the Trojan's offense in the Pac 12 in 2012.

    How about the front four on defense? DEs Kennard and Horton should be very good. DT George Uko can play great, but he will need to be consistently great. And USC will have to get some push from Woods and Tavai and their rotation inside. That's the fly in the ointment. Can the inside of the defensive line disrupt?

    Pac 12 offenses can just kill you unless you can disrupt the opposing offense and the opposing QB.

    Woods is very hard to move. That is good. Now can Tavai and Woods, and the rest of the rotation move the middle of the opposing offense back toward the QB? Woods is a trash can full of cement. Can he also be a steam roller?

    If players like Dawson and USC's rotation on the inside can step up , I'm convinced USC is going to have a championship defense in 2012..

    I'll be watching the middle of the USC defense in August.

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    This post was edited by oldtimescfan on 4/21/2012 at 6:45 PM

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  • The teams that beat Oregon have big, physical, penetrating defensive lines. I think we have issues in the middle, and beating them twice will be very difficult.

    rkinslow

  • Great job. I think the back up linebackers and defensive linemen will be important. USC needs to rest their players. Hayes Pullard and Lamar Dawson played every snap in the Oregon game. At the end of the game the defense was tired. USC needs to get the back up players to help.

    This post was edited by mrsam on 4/21/2012 at 6:57 PM

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  • Great point about the importance of depth playing in the Pac 12. The pace of the games and the # of plays is exhausting.

    The good news is if you put together a list of most improved players this spring on the USC football team several of those players will be providing depth.

    Drew McCallister,Demetrius Wright, Anthony Brown and Brian Bauchum all had great springs. And that is just in the secondary. Anthony Sarao had a good spring. And Scott Starr, who could still be in HS, showed he may get some playing time.

    There are going to be some surprises by players who were injured during the spring and a few of this year's recruits will shine.

    oldtimescfan

  • oldtimescfan said...

    Stanford's defense should be down this year. Oregon could not stop USC last year. The Ducks won't be able to stop USC this year. I'm not sure anyone on USC's schedule will be able to hold in check the Trojan's offense in the Pac 12 in 2012.

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    If players like Dawson and USC's rotation on the inside can step up , I'm convinced USC is going to have a championship defense in 2012..

    I'll be watching the middle of the USC defense in August.

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    I think Stanford's D will be strong assuming Skov returns from his knee injury in good form (and that his DUI doesn't keep him off the field), but they are going to take a tremendous hit on offense with Luck, Decastro, Martin, etc all leaving.

    I agree about the middle of SC's D being the key.

    I feel good about Dawson. He will only continue to improve with experience.

    Hopefully Temple, Heyward or Leonard Williams can step in and be the 4th guy in the DT rotation. They need to go two deep in the rotation to keep guys fresh.

    USCTraveler

  • oldtimescfan said...

    Great point about the importance of depth playing in the Pac 12. The pace of the games and the # of plays is exhausting.

    The good news is if you put together a list of most improved players this spring on the USC football team several of those players will be providing depth.

    Drew McCallister,Demetrius Wright, Anthony Brown and Brian Bauchum all had great springs. And that is just in the secondary. Anthony Sarao had a good spring. And Scott Starr, who could still be in HS, showed he may get some playing time.

    There are going to be some surprises by players who were injured during the spring and a few of this year's recruits will shine.

    I agree with both of you guys about the importance of depth.

    Especially vs a team like the Ducks, keeping those guys fresh is a huge key.

    USCTraveler

  • rkinslow said...

    The teams that beat Oregon have big, physical, penetrating defensive lines. I think we have issues in the middle, and beating them twice will be very difficult.

    If Uko plays vs Oregon the way he did against them last year, SC will be fine. He was a one-man wrecking crew in Autzen last year.

    He'll need help obviously, but I think Tavai, Woods and the DEs will all get the job done.

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  • USCTraveler said...

    If Uko plays vs Oregon the way he did against them last year, SC will be fine. He was a one-man wrecking crew in Autzen last year.

    He'll need help obviously, but I think Tavai, Woods and the DEs will all get the job done.


    USC needs to have a good third and fourth defensive ends to help give the starters a rest. I hope Marquis Simmons and Will Andrews help the linebackers. The no tackling worries me since some of the young players will be playing against spread teams for the first time.

    mrsam

  • oldtimescfan said...

    Great point about the importance of depth playing in the Pac 12. The pace of the games and the # of plays is exhausting.

    The good news is if you put together a list of most improved players this spring on the USC football team several of those players will be providing depth.

    Drew McCallister,Demetrius Wright, Anthony Brown and Brian Bauchum all had great springs. And that is just in the secondary. Anthony Sarao had a good spring. And Scott Starr, who could still be in HS, showed he may get some playing time.

    There are going to be some surprises by players who were injured during the spring and a few of this year's recruits will shine.


    In the Oregon game the players got tired in the fourth quarter. I think conditioning will be very important.

    mrsam

  • I think Utah will have a great defense. Star Lotulelei is the best defensive player in the conference. He dominates. I think Utah is the one team that can slow down an offense due to their defense. Oregon is not playing Utah this year or that would be a great game to watch.

    Stanford and Oregon will have good defenses. Stanford will add Aziz Shittu and Noor Davis to the great defense they have.

    The two teams I think will have good defenses are California and Washington. Justin Wilcox will improve Washington's defense. I think Shaquille Thompson will be great this season.

    I think the defenses in the Pac 12 will be great this season. If USC can develop good back ups I think the the defense will be great. I think Gerald Bowman and Kevon Seymour could probably play this year on the defense and make an impact. The coaches will probably redshirt Gerald Bowman and Kevon Seymour to save their eligibility.

    I think the new kick off rules will help USC. The field position will help the defense. The special teams has struggled with kick off returns and the rules will help the team.

    USCTraveler80

  • The starting USC defense will do fine.

    Minimizing injury will be the key IMO.

    Thin in the DL interior & LB.

    The rest of the D has more depth.

    From what I saw of the D, although limited to one practice, they are fast and know what they are doing.

    I think they have a Pac 12 championship defense but I am not sure there is enough depth for a NC defense.

    To stop an Alabama requires reserves to keep the front 4 fresh and keep the pressure on the Alabama offense.

    I am cautiously optimistic, but I do feel depth in the interior of the D line will be a concern over the course of the season.

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  • Good observations.

    Fast is one thing. Playing fast is what you want to see. And I'm hoping USC is going to do just that. Marvin Sanders was an incredible, "get" for USC. He is aggressive and a good teacher. Having Sanders join Monte Kiffin, who is now in his 3rd season in the Pac 12, and Orgeron, who is an old hand, rounds out the defensive coaching staff. The third time could be the charm for Monte Kiffin.

    Orgeron is pushing for even more pressure on the QB, and Sanders has the CBs making much more aggressive moves to the football. No more bend and break defense. It's bend and break the opposing offense.

    USC has recruited and put together the kind of defense that they think fits well against Pac 12 offenses. Tavai and Woods at NT could be greater than the sum of their parts, because the compliment each other very well. Tavai can really move, and Woods will not be moved. So you can use them as down and distance demands.

    When I do the math and add up what's on the depth chart and add it to the coaching staff, I think we are going to see a defense that is greater than the sum of it's parts.

    Tony Burnett was catching on fast at LB. He is fast and a sure tackler. And he as tough as anyone on the Trojan team. I know he was a track athlete, but he has the mindset of a track on a tank.

    oldtimescfan

  • rkinslow said...

    The teams that beat Oregon have big, physical, penetrating defensive lines. I think we have issues in the middle, and beating them twice will be very difficult.

    The teams that beat Oregon get more than a week to prepare. USC was the first team to beat Oregon with 1 weekk of prep in a long, long time.

    mb2trojan

  • You have to be prepared to beat Oregon. You can get players healthy during the time you prepare for a bowl. And you have to practice against what Oregon is doing. What's hard is trying to simulate what Oregon does in practice. The Ducks bring players in in rapid fire. The Ducks practice like a rolling ball of butcher knives.

    The Ducks made mistakes for three quarters against USC, but still could have tied the game with time running out. The can now murder you with STs and De'Anthony Thomas.
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    I'm glad the changed the KO rule. Did you see Hedari kicking from the 35 yard line at the huddle. He was booming the ball out of the end zone. Albarado had a good punting spring. We may see him on long punts and Negrete on short punts. Although Negrete has a very strong leg.

    You do want starters back who have played against Oregon. USC has depth that has also seen them as well. USC will need to be physically prepared. by the time the Trojans play Oregon their QB will have plenty of experience.

    This is the year to chase the Ducks off the Coliseum lawn.

    oldtimescfan

  • mb2trojan said...

    The teams that beat Oregon get more than a week to prepare. USC was the first team to beat Oregon with 1 weekk of prep in a long, long time.

    I week of prep...plus broke their home stadium win record....

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  • oldtimescfan said...

    The Ducks made mistakes for three quarters against USC, but still could have tied the game with time running out. The can now murder you with STs and De'Anthony Thomas. I I'm glad the changed the KO rule. Did you see Hedari kicking from the 35 yard line at the huddle. He was booming the ball out of the end zone. Albarado had a good punting spring. We may see him on long punts and Negrete on short punts. Although Negrete has a very strong leg.

    I think we need to handle DAT on Special Teams the same way we handled DeSean Jackson

    Which was, DON"T KICK TO HIM

    EVER

    BlemBlam3

  • rkinslow said...

    The teams that beat Oregon have big, physical, penetrating defensive lines. I think we have issues in the middle, and beating them twice will be very difficult.

    I agree it's difficult to beat a strong opponent twice in once season. However, I think our middle will be secure with another year of experience, conditioning and depth within the front 7, is improving IMO.

    Plus....Oregon can't stop this....

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    USC's Matt Barkley 59-yard Touchdown to Ma...

    USC's Marqise Lee makes a great catch to strike first against Oregon.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/j-I9cny_4ac
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  • I would not be surprised to see USC handle Oregon like they did in 08. Or 06. A 55-20 kind of game would not surprise me in the least.

    ...Nor would it surprise me if USC only plays Oregon once in 2012. I don't think USC will be the only game Oregon puts in their loss column.

    usc2k11

  • oldtimescfan said...

    The Ducks made mistakes for three quarters against USC, but still could have tied the game with time running out.

    USC dominated Oregon in Autzen.The game was not as close as the final score indicated.USC fumbled in the redzone on a hand off I believe and the ref's blew an obvious PI call that resulted in an interception.The game was kept close due to these two glaring missteps.Going forward,USC will handle Oregon rather easily imo.They now have the players to slow down their offense.People didn't believe we could beat them last year and are seemingly still afraid of them this year.

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  • usctrojanglory said...

    USC dominated Oregon in Autzen.The game was not as close as the final score indicated.USC fumbled in the redzone on a hand off I believe and the ref's blew an obvious PI call that resulted in an interception.The game was kept close due to these two glaring missteps.Going forward,USC will handle Oregon rather easily imo.They now have the players to slow down their offense.People didn't believe we could beat them last year and are seemingly still afraid of them this year.

    Worst call in the game was the intentional grounding call against Barkley when his WR broke the wrong way

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  • BlemBlam3 said...

    Worst call in the game was the intentional grounding call against Barkley when his WR broke the wrong way

    That was stupefying....easily one of the most unbelievably bad calls I have ever seen.

    And as bad as it was, that game had a couple other bad calls/missed calls that would rank high on any list.

    This post was edited by usc2k11 on 4/22/2012 at 2:11 PM

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    More Great Pac12 Officiating at Autzen

    Pac-12 refs find a way to penalize USC for intentional grounding. This is quite possible the worst refereeing decision in the history of College Football. And the ducks still lost....

    http://www.youtube.com/v/A7Qb4mhn2UA

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  • BlemBlam3 said...

    Worst call in the game was the intentional grounding call against Barkley when his WR broke the wrong way

    Yeah I had forgotten about that horrifyingly stupid call.

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  • This was the illegal shift call against USC that the Float coaches were crying for.

    If you watch, they are screaming long before the man goes in motion. If the TE stops running in place, there is no penalty, and the coaches were once again begging for a call on a play that didn't deserve it.

    What makes me sick about Kelly and his ways is that when the floats have the ball, they push the envelope on every snap. They get the referees into a frenzy as well, so often times the refs aren't picking up motion, etc. They are in a mad rush just to get in place.

    But when the other team has the ball, they whine like little maggots begging the refs to watch every piece of movement.

    Evidence again this clip. If you watch the top of the screen, as soon as the TE goes in motion, Chippy joins his minion in yelling at the line judge. When they show the replay, you can see that the minion ducky has started working the ref BEFORE the TE moves. They are truly whiny little bitches (apologies to whiny little bitches everywhere).

    This post was edited by usc2k11 on 4/22/2012 at 11:52 AM

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    UO Succaducks Coach Chip Kelly

    UO Succaducks Coach Chip Kelly and his staff shown constantly complaining to officials and finally get a call to go their way. The Trojans still stomped them in Eugene despite the hysterics and horrible officiating. At the end of the day, they are still just ducks.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/MzQg14wQAG4

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  • BlemBlam3 said...

    Worst call in the game was the intentional grounding call against Barkley when his WR broke the wrong way

    I think it's a tie between that and calling DAT's catch a TD when he was two feet out of bounds and the ref was staring at him from 10 feet away.

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  • ParqueUsc said...

    I think it's a tie between that and calling DAT's catch a TD when he was two feet out of bounds and the ref was staring at him from 10 feet away.

    Agreed, but at least that one was reversable. I was in disbelief at that call too though.

    The officials were clearly more effected by that team and that stadium than the team was that night.

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