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Disappointing Recruiting Day

  • philatrojan said...

    They will have a strong front 7, they have had good QB recruiting, great oline and RB recruiting, and we play them in Palo Alto next year. I wouldn't take Stanford lightly.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but after next year, don't we miss out on playing Stanford for 2 years?

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    randy88moss

  • Bigjosh76 said...

    You listed all the recruits they missed on, not just from today. Then said the coaches no longer have a monopoly on the pac-12. Did you really expect them to have a monopoly with sanctions and scholarship limits? I can understand the down of losing out on Peat and Murphy, but that shouldn't diminish the fact that this staff can recruit, and have done another outstanding job.

    All the recruits I mentioned except for McCarthy were supposed to be in play for us up until today or the last few days. McCarthy is whatever, sure. Point is that while I am happy with the guys we got, we had some big disappointments wthat we wouldn't typically see in the past. Of course Kiff and Orgeron can recruit, but so can a bunch of other coaches in the Pac-12. SC Coaches have done a very good job this recruiting season, but not great.

    This post was edited by philatrojan on 2/1/2012 at 4:30 PM

    philatrojan

  • philatrojan said...

    I can live with that. Doesn't change the fact that we missed on many of our plan A guys. I'd rather use the open spots for plan A early enrollees than marginal players.

    Are you serious with this bullshit? marginal players? You sound like such a douche right now... or perhaps you are marginal fan?

    I'm all in for 2013. Fight On! Leave No Doubt.

    SCRunner

  • SCRunner said...

    Are you serious with this bullshit? marginal players? You sound like such a douche right now... or perhaps you are marginal fan?

    Is it your position that there is no such thing as a marginal player for SC? Grow up.

    philatrojan

  • randy88moss said...

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but after next year, don't we miss out on playing Stanford for 2 years?

    I thought we played the California schools every year.

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    Gangogi

  • randy88moss said...

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but after next year, don't we miss out on playing Stanford for 2 years?

    I don't think so. I think we play the Cali schools every year.

    philatrojan

  • philatrojan said...

    All the recruits I mentioned except for McCarthy were supposed to be in play for us up until today or the last few days. McCarthy is whatever, sure. Point is that while I am happy with the guys we got, we had some big disappointments wthat we wouldn't typically see in the past. Of course Kiff and Orgeron can recruit, but so can a bunch of other coaches in the Pac-12. SC Coaches have done a very good job this recruiting season, but not great.

    Also named a player that had not even committed yet. But we are going in circles. We can just agree to disagree on the severity of kids not committing to USC.

    Bigjosh76

  • philatrojan said...

    Is it your position that there is no such thing as a marginal player for SC? Grow up.

    Yes. That is my position.

    I'm all in for 2013. Fight On! Leave No Doubt.

    SCRunner

  • Bigjosh76 said...

    Also named a player that had not even committed yet. But we are going in circles. We can just agree to disagree on the severity of kids not committing to USC.

    And as expected Aziz to Stanford.

    philatrojan

  • SCRunner said...

    Yes. That is my position.

    Then I guess SC should offer every high school player in the country on a first come first served basis.

    philatrojan

  • So if you expected him not to come, why would you be disappointed?

    Bigjosh76

  • Really? This must be sarcasm...

    luke skywalker

  • Looks like a lot of the babies from TOS are on here today. No wonder there is a sour vibe on the board right now. lol

    Bigjosh76

  • philatrojan said...

    Then I guess SC should offer every high school player in the country on a first come first served basis.

    Could you handle that? Knowing that not everyone would be able to sign... that's a lot of high school players to be disappointed about.

    I'm all in for 2013. Fight On! Leave No Doubt.

    SCRunner

  • Interesting OP. PhilaTrojan, do you know any of these players beyond their star ratings and perhaps their highlight footage? Did we really miss out on Murphy, or could there be things going on behind the scenes that are hushed?

    In home visits, official visits, etc are so much more than USC offering a ride to a high school star. They are also measuring tools that the coaches use in final evaluations of these players, along with other sources not generally available to you and me. Last year Orgeron and Kiffin determined a player persona they were seeking and one they were going to avoid. Meanwhile, Kiffin JR and SR developed a desired team make up (as evidenced in the quick style defense that ultimately defeated Oregon, and will need to do again).

    The release of Dillon Baxter is somewhat evidence of it all.

    If you have 10 5 star players with "issues", they will not perform up to the level as well coached 3-4 star players without such issues. Mix in a 5 star here and there that fits the USC mold and there will be a very compelling team developed.

    From what I know, USC got almost exactly who and what they were hoping for. It is a great day to be a Trojan!

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last - Winston Churchill

    SC200SC

  • How old are you? I mean, really? I feel sorry for you for being this sad for 17-year olds choosing a school that isn't the school you're a fan of.

    Julio Nievas

  • Bigjosh76 said...

    Looks like a lot of the babies from TOS are on here today. No wonder there is a sour vibe on the board right now. lol

    Naw, as long as ajismedicated doesn't start posting, we're good.

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    What sanctions? Our 75 are better than your 85.

    Action Figure

  • That's right....I forgot about the Cali schools playing every year. Thanks!

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    randy88moss

  • I swear, living in the South, the bullshit i hear about some SC fans is so true...We have an outstanding class...#1 in the Pac12 even with the sanctions but some of you spoiled girls will not be happy unless we sign 25 5stars in one class, geez...its always "we could have done more..". Jesus Christ...im ecstatic....well done Lane and company...well done......clap

    bigtubb

  • philatrojan said...

    I'm not discounting the fact that we got some great athletes, but whiffing on Aziz, McCarthy, Dodson, Pio, Peat, Murphy, and Miles is a big deal. Clearly Kiffin and Orgeron no longer have a monopoly on Pac-12 recruiting. Sucks, and I hope we can do better next year.

    You are right, but many people will not admit. Missing out on 2 elite tackles, to the same school, when we have a vacancy at LT, is a blow. No way around it.

    rkinslow

  • philatrojan said...

    I'm not discounting the fact that we got some great athletes, but whiffing on Aziz, McCarthy, Dodson, Pio, Peat, Murphy, and Miles is a big deal. Clearly Kiffin and Orgeron no longer have a monopoly on Pac-12 recruiting. Sucks, and I hope we can do better next year.

    You are right, but many people will not admit. Missing out on 2 elite tackles, to the same school, when we have a vacancy at LT, is a blow. No way around it.

    rkinslow

  • Phat Julio said...

    How old are you? I mean, really? I feel sorry for you for being this sad for 17-year olds choosing a school that isn't the school you're a fan of.

    I'm so sad I had to post on a message board. My life sucks. Woe is me. You guys are funneee.

    philatrojan

  • Bigjosh76 said...

    So if you expected him not to come, why would you be disappointed?

    I legitimately thought we had a shot until last night or the night before. Bottom line, we have a very good class, but not great considering our needs and tradition.

    philatrojan

  • SC200SC said...

    Interesting OP. PhilaTrojan, do you know any of these players beyond their star ratings and perhaps their highlight footage? Did we really miss out on Murphy, or could there be things going on behind the scenes that are hushed?

    In home visits, official visits, etc are so much more than USC offering a ride to a high school star. They are also measuring tools that the coaches use in final evaluations of these players, along with other sources not generally available to you and me. Last year Orgeron and Kiffin determined a player persona they were seeking and one they were going to avoid. Meanwhile, Kiffin JR and SR developed a desired team make up (as evidenced in the quick style defense that ultimately defeated Oregon, and will need to do again).

    The release of Dillon Baxter is somewhat evidence of it all.

    If you have 10 5 star players with "issues", they will not perform up to the level as well coached 3-4 star players without such issues. Mix in a 5 star here and there that fits the USC mold and there will be a very compelling team developed.

    From what I know, USC got almost exactly who and what they were hoping for. It is a great day to be a Trojan!

    I certainly know who USC offered and recruited hard. It's not some secrety that we really wanted a bunch of top prospects that we did not get. Maybe this year was unique for situations like Armstead and McCarthy.

    philatrojan

  • rkinslow said...

    You are right, but many people will not admit. Missing out on 2 elite tackles, to the same school, when we have a vacancy at LT, is a blow. No way around it.

    Exactly. We have some great players but missed in ways we wouldn't typically expect to miss. I'm disappointed but won't lose any sleep over it. However, it's funny how many people seem to be going apoplectic over my observation.

    philatrojan