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We run this play maybe a dozen times a year now. What is it about this simple but historical play that doesn't work? Is it our personnel? Or is it easily stopped now? If we're looking for an offensive identity, this would be a good place to start, mixed with pro-style QB play.
Any gurus out there that can provide a solid, erudite opinion on this question?
How I would love to see this...
I'm not a guru, but I'd say it's about having a dominant, mean, attacking Offensive Line. Ours this year just did not have that mentality or capability. We had it to some degree last year with Matt Kalil.
You need to have competent OT's and and a healthy center. 2012 USC did not.
We ran it well in that one game (don't recall the opponent) but aside from that it's been MIA for years.
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Not entirely retired, but definitely not a significant part of the offense. You need a good pulling guard and fullback who can get to the edge quickly, pick the right defender, and block in space. You need a runner who can get to the edge quickly and break a tackle. Like any other play, execution is key ... and that's a big part of the issue. Do you spend more reps in practice on the sweeps ... or on the other plays? Lane probably believes that he has bigger fish to fry as long as he continues to see INT's when there are mis-reads between the QB/WR and LT's who don't know who to block, and who get their QB injured.
Didn't we do it a couple of times against Arizona State?
I noticed it a few times this season. Without more focus in practice I think it works best as a surprise or change-up. If good defenses are ready for it, the success rate might not be as high as people expect. Anticipating a question: Yes, it causes defenses to also spend reps in preparation ... but I'd say that defenders can get ready with fewer reps than what an offense needs to spend in order to be really good at it.
I indicated the same thing in MMQB that we liked seeing the play and that it was successful almost every time we ran it. Lane's answer was yeah we ran it for the old-timers here. When I heard that and didn't see it run too many times again this past season it caused me to ponder him not using something that was so successful. As a result of this I'm still not sure he is fully qualified to be USC's play caller when he neglected to use a play that had worked so well - among other questionable play calls that occurred throughout the season.
That sounds kind of like Lane's dry wit coming out.
I have a question for those who have a deeper understanding of the game. Do you feel Lane is so cerebral that sometimes he does not have a "feel" for the game while it's in progress? Does there seem to be less of a focus on the discipline of dong the small things right for the focus on the spectacular?
Discipline of dong? This one is for usctrojan1 or others of the distaff dominatrix squad.
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My dad always said student-body right/left may have seemed simple, but they practiced it over, and over, and over, and over again each practice. Their execution was impeccable and they had great players to execute it properly. It was no secret that USC was going to run the ball against its opponents during the McKay and Robinson era, but they executed the run game to perfection because they practiced it. Not so much any more.
Loel had that right. It wasn't about scheme, it was about execution. Mckay had the philosophy that his players had to execute and it was up to the opposition to stop them.
Most of the time the opposition couldn't do it - even when they knew what was coming. I hate to put it this way, but this is kind of what Chip Kelly has going on at Oregon.
That's my concern about our offense.
I think Kiffin over thinks himself instead of just having a foundation of plays that we run perfectly. I get the whole "take what the defense gives you" thing, but there comes a point when you have to look at the defense and say "we're faster than you, stronger than you, and we're going to execute this so well that it doesn't matter what you do."
I don't think we've seen that this year.
...and hope that the QB does not audible out of the original call because he thinks he sees something that is not there.
There's no doubt in my mind that USC's offensive woes this year were due to a combination of problems. It would be very interesting to be able to see a break down of audibles and the plays originally called.
Scott - your dad was right about the fact that the play was practiced to perfection years ago. But the interesting thing is that when USC ran the toss sweep (that's the other name) they executed it to perfection and seemed to gain big yardage. It's still a mystery to me why they didn't even want to try it more than a few times this past season.
The sweep has been replaced (not just at USC) by bubble screens, dump offs to the RB, and quick throws to the WR. This eliminates the the need for everyone to be perfect and allows a 1 on 1 with the CB which is basically the goal of a sweep. Plus the the chance of a holding call or negative yards is greatly reduced.
The popularity of zone blocking schemes is also a reason we see fewer plays like Student Body Right/Left these days. In some ways, it is easier to teach guys how to take a couple of steps to either side and hit someone, rather than asking guys to get out in space and find the proper guy to block.
Who was that? Certainly not the USC quarterback who didn't have any time to audible as his head coach was barking at him from the sidelines with his inane audible based on something he thought he saw. Like Kiffin would allow Barkley to audible. Yeah right. Not on his watch.
One thing people are forgetting is that in the 60's and 70's USC had bigger O Lines than almost any NFL team
I remember reading an artlcle around 1970 in the LATimes that USC was the first team ever, including NFL teams who's OLine averaged 280 LBs
Rick Telander, the great sporswriter, wrote about 15 yeas ago about facing some dangerous
situation (cant recall the details, but potentially life threatening) . He said as scary as it was, the most courageous and scary thing he had ever done was in the late 60's as a 180 lb cornerback for Northwestern and time after time hurling himself at USC's masive offensive linemen as they turned the corner while leadimg Trojan tailback Clarence Davis on student body right
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