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Because our offense, barring turnovers or sniper fire, will put 50 up on the Cuse. If we play four quarters there are very few teams that should hold this team to under 50, much less 40.
As we have seen with the Ducks the past few years, it is easy to gameplan on defense and be aggressive when you have an offense that you know will have a good chance to get double nickels on the opposition.
This is where I have a problem with USC defense under Monte and actually do like the ORegon system better. Oregon defense almost plays defense like Paul Westheads Loyola teams used to. Push the pace and if you are going to score on us, score early so we can increase the number of possessions.
This is something that I think Monte doesnt understand and it is actually hurting his son's offensive juggernaut. USC has even better athletes on defense than Oregon does as we are both bigger and faster. We need to increase the number of possessions each game and we need to play aggressive on defense to try and force sacks and turnovers. The bend and dont break crap works in the NFL because most talent is even, but it actually hurts a college team when we have more talent.
If a team hits us for an 80 yard bomb, so be it. Better than way than to be bled to death by an inferior opponent. BTW-you may not hit the bomb if your quarterback is face down because of a sack.
I would like to see this defense do more blitzing, sell out to stop the run, force the quarterback to make quick decisions on third down in the passing game, jump routes, etc.
It is only one game and there are varying stories as to why one side of the field played a bailout technique, but this has happened far too often in the Monte era.
I believe Sanders is the best dback coach in america and he was brought here to get turnovers and 3 and outs. Let him do his job, we have the athletes.
The one advantage of our offense is that we can come back on anyone. THe other advantage is we can get two to three scores up on anyone and force them into being a one dimentional team. We dont take enough advantage of that in my opinion.
Just my view.
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Robey and our safeties are talented enough, but I don't think the second and third cornerback can play man.
This post was edited by OxyTrojan 19 months ago
Josh F'n Shaw can, and it's really getting on my nerves that they don't move him.
If USC can get Wes Horton, Lamar Dawson, and Torin Harris back for this game it will help the defense. USC needs to improve its pass rush to help the cornerbacks and safeties.
My biggest worry with this defense is when they face a team with an offense that has four wide receivers per a play. This will be a problem since the coaches to play three cornerbacks and play two linebackers.
Since the Stanford game last year, the defense has looked pretty good except for the 4th quarter against Oregon. I'm not worried about how they'll do against Syracuse
I disagree. I always thought some guys are much better safeties but can be decent corners. Shaw and Pinkard fit that bill. Wait one year when the top two safeties are gone and Shaw will be phenomenal taking over for MCDonald or Starling.
"This is where I have a problem with USC defense under Monte and actually do like the ORegon system better. Oregon defense almost plays defense like Paul Westheads Loyola teams used to. Push the pace and if you are going to score on us, score early so we can increase the number of possessions."
Why do you prefer a 50-42 type of win over a 35-17 type of win?
You seem to be forgetting that USC won 1 NC, played in another NC game and was cheated out of a 3rd and possibly fourth NC game appearance with this very same defense you've suddenly become disgruntled with.
Nah, think I'll stick with the same defense that enabled us to go 6-1 in BCS bowl games over a seven-year period in lieu of switching to a defensive mindset that has gone 1-2 in BCS bowl games over a three-year period.
Translation: Oregon has lost more BCS bowl games in three years playing their defensive style than USC lost in seven years playing Monte's style.
This post was edited by brdcstr1 19 months ago
Couldnt agree more FB, I'm already thinking about going against Bama's massive oline straight up, they'd be trying to keep the ball and limit the offense to 3 or so possessions per half, that wont get it done. I really like what Hawaii did, play aggressive, use your speed with blitzes, and man up on the outsides. Although it wasnt a great strategy for them, it would be great for USC to do occasionally, depending on the opponent.
When I see the closing speed of guys like Pullard and Bailey, the strategy seems to make even more sense. I cant stand bend-but-dont-break D's, and monte seems to go that strategy whenever the team gets a lead. I hate it.
In the last few years, I would say that USC's defense has been less effective than Oregon's. The bend-don't-break philosophy has caused losses to inferior teams on a number of occasions, and kept what should be routs closer than they should've been. The number of 3rd down conversions on our defense is scary at times.
Also, the OP never said that he'd prefer a 50-42 game. That wasnt what he said at all. By employing an attacking defense, we'd be better able to get a quick lead and then grow that lead once they become one dimensional.
This post was edited by AbsenteeTrojan 19 months ago
If Shaw could then he'd be there. He's physical and a pretty good corner but Shaw was getting beat Randall Telfer consistently this summer so he's definitely not the answer. He could play but he wouldn't make much of a difference. If a WR beats his jam, which wouldn't be an impossible task considering Shaw's hips, then he's over. Definitely better at Safety.
Kevon Seymour will be USC's answer at the other corner in the latter half of the season if Torin isn't healthy by then.
This post was edited by NEmeans124960 19 months ago
I agree 100% on your thoughts on the defensive strategy. It holds up statistically too.
I don't think anyone would argue against the idea that USC has the best offense in college football. Oregon and WVU are up there, but their offensive schemes exaggerate their strengths against inferior opponents and struggle when it comes to playing defenses that match up athletically. We also have superior athletes on defense to all but LSU and Bama. There are better defenses out there, but not on a purely athletic standpoint. So with that in mind, we should definitely be going aggressive as all get out on defense, not letting our opponents slowly grind out drives that lessen the number of scoring opportunities per game.
A very basic fundamental of statistics is that the lower the sample size, the higher the variance, meaning while the odds may be 75% that USC beats opponent X whether there are 10 or 20 possessions in the game, the likelihood that in a single game the outcome doesn't agree with the expected outcome goes up as the number of scoring opportunities go down. It would all average out to the same odds if you played each game infinite times, but seeing as you only play each matchup once, it's in USC's best interest to minimize variance. By playing more aggressive on defense and just doing what they've been doing on offense, the sample size of drives by each team goes up. Seeing as USC will be the favorite in every game they play (barring perhaps the National Championship), there's no reason not to go with this mindset.
The games would be more exciting too, and the stats more eye popping
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This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Spartrojan 19 months ago
Well playing fast aggressive defense also keeps the D fresh. Play bend but dont break all game and the D is gassed come 4th quarter. Its much better to give up an 80 yard 1 play bomb than a 12 play 7 minute TD.
Yeah until you give up several 80 yard bombs in a row. The theories sound good on paper but they don't work in reality against teams with equal or better talent. There are pros and cons to everything. It's not as black and white as some suggest.
On the flip side of the quick tds we should have many more 3 and outs and force many more turnovers. Plus injury is not nearly as likely with the D playing 30 percent less snaps over the course of the year.
More clock controlling sustained drives y the offense would help the defense.
Good post, FK.
I actually think our defense WILL get more aggressive as the season wears on. It definitely got more aggressive last year; you saw how much we started blitzing Nickell Robey off the corner, for instance.
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The OP feels like the score will be 21-21 if we give up three 80 yard bombs in a row. Also, as the schedule stands right now, show me the team on the schedule that has equal or better talent?
It definitely is not as black and white as some have suggested, but it would be fun to see this defense really apply screws.
For me, the drawback is with recruiting. Many of our kids came here to get a football education, and an audition to play for the big boys. They aren't going to be ready to show their stuff to the nfl if we play that craziness like they do in Oregon. And as others have noted, the "pro-style" we play - BOTH on offense and defense - has done very well over the past decade.
Coach Monte Kiffin knows defenses. He eats, breathes, and lives defense. I'm sure he's looked at this from every angle and knows what defense is best for the opponent and personnel USC has. Just look at how much better the defense has gotten since they first arrived here. Look at what they did to Oregon. If the offense didn't commit all those turnovers, it wouldn't have been that close.
I like the way Coach Kiffin is building this defense. I'm sure he'd like to run all kinds of crazy blitz packages, and if he could, he would.
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