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Question for one of the board lawyers:
Based upon where this case is in the legal pipeline, how long would you guesstimate it would take to get in front of an actual jury if Todd decided to not settle with the NCAA?
Just a thought, but wouldn't it be nice if some wealthy alums contacted Todd to guarantee him a payout of whatever the NCAA offers to settle for if he refused it and went to trial instead?
That way, he's in a no lose situation while USC and all of college sports benefits.
That's a good thought ...
If the NCAA is found to have sanctioned USC without cause shouldn't the universities that the committee members are affiliated with be sactioned? I know it is a little far fetched but you have 1) individuals that are boasters and/or affiliated (current or former employees) of universities 2) that were responsible for sactioning an oppossing schools athletic program unjustly 3) for the sole purpose of benefiting their schools athletic porgrams through limiting the ability of USC to recruit, and field a competitive team. Two of these schools are Miami and Notre Dame. U of Miami was able to get the top OT recruit that had signed with USC but went to Miami after the sactions were announced. Notre Dame is about to play a depleted USC team for a bid to the NC game with some players that may have gone to USC if not for the sactions. I know it would never happen but would be a small victory and would make the NCAA members think twice before subjecting schools to unjust penalties.
First off, if the LA Superior Court rules in favor of McNair, won't the NCAA appeal to the State Supreme Court? Then, if they lose that, won't they then appeal to the Federal Supreme Court? This could be years in the making of an eventual verdict/settlement.
So, I don't see the NCAA relaxing the sanctions against us at all.
When/if McNair is found to have been set up, I truly wonder if Haden/Nikias will go after the NCAA. We would have grounds to sue for money lost from no bowl games in 2010 and 2011, as well as all kinds of other "mental anguish" type stuff. But, I somehow doubt that the school's administration would do so.
I have wondered for the past 22 months why the vast USC alumni base has not filed a class action law-suit against the NCAA. If every alum pitched in $100 that would be a fairly large war chest to do battle with. Also, I'm sure many Trojan alum attorneys would donate their time to the cause as well. I just hate that we appeared to have rolled over after getting rail-roaded with truly unfair penalties.
I hope McNair wins, for his name and reputation, and for our school's reputation as well. Fight On, beat the NZAA!
I like your analysis and it makes sense, way too much sense in the world of Div. 1 NCAA football but A+ for your strategy ...
Sadly, have to agree 100% with your assessment.
The subservient, passive, almost cowardly persona of USC as depicted in Pat Haden makes me cringe to even consider how he will further anger alumni and fans with his propensity to embarrass himself and denigrate his university.
The next time he publicly speaks critically of any organization in collegiate athletics besides USC will be the first time.
I don't see the Todd McNair court case being settled until after USC has suffered all the sanctions.
I am not a USC grad, outsider, but I do not understand the criticism of Pat Haden.
The man is a Rhode Scholar, USC QB and NFL QB, obviously not an activity for a coward IMO.
His style of AD leadership is intelligence as opposed to brute force. When the recent NCAA issues came up the NCAA commended Pat for his leadership in holding NCAA by-law workshops for any schools interested in attending. This and his efforts to keep USC clean and free of athletic scandal helped in the NCAA committee view of USC as being on the right track and deserving consideration.
Pat left a lucrative and successful private practice to take on the task of the USC AD. One does not gain the success that Pat did being stupid. I think Pat has done more good than harm in his capacity as AD at USC.
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"Here are provided seats of meditative joy, where shall rise again the destined reign of Troy." Virgil
No doubt. He is superb, and dedicated to a winning program. His public statements mask his determination to win.
But this development puts things in an entirely different light, and Lawyer Pat will see this clearly. The shoe is on the other foot. Our time to make a demand for restitution.
Potholes for us, Pensions for them
I really don't intend this to be sarcastic, but have you followed this saga since PH became AD at USC?
If so, I truly find it hard to believe that anyone familiar with the substance of the situation, regardless of their opinions, cannot see numerous reasons for criticism of Pat Haden's representation of USC's reputation and interests in the public forum.
Pat Haden has been Neville Chamberlain when Winston Churchill was needed.
In other words...what's the penalty when the NCAA is proven to have demonstrated a lack of institutional control?
Knowing them....a pay raise for everyone.
laars, I'm seeing things from an entirely different perspective now.
With these recent revelations from the judge, USC owes it to every other NCAA member school to stand up to governing body entrusted with ensuring fairness across the board.
The quote that comes to mind I would share with Pat/Nikias is "Evil abounds when good men do nothing". If USC does nothing, then they become complicit in the corruption.
The NCAA has shown themselves to be no different than corrupt cops who frame innocent people for crimes they didn't commit. Hopefully they aren't allowed to run roughshod over one other program.
According to Garry P on TOS USC's stance on the sanctions isn't changing. Not really a surprise.
Haden comes out looking pretty weak with this exposure of the NCAA, even if he was just following orders from higher ups. He went out of his way to suck up to the NCAA and call then fair-minded individuals, tell all of us that we had "tin foil hats" for believing there was malice and a conspiracy against USC, actively dismissed USC's opportunity to challenge the NCAA findings based on the Auburn outcome (Nikias drove that one), and generally did everything possible to keep the fanbase from demanding justice.
If Haden truly believed that a lawsuit was not worth the effort given the narrow legal avenue to pursue relief, that's one thing. But nothing stopped him from calling a press conference and going through the NCAA report with all of the misstatements, lies, omissions, etc., that are now coming up in this lawsuit for McNair. We could have easily accepted the penalties but defended our name in the process and let a fire under the press to examine how the NCAA could possibly come to this level of punishment based on such a shoddy case. Look what happened with Shabazz the second UCLA and the press pushed back.
Instead, Haden has been complicit in moving USC in a direction he thought was best (along with Nikias, et al.) but now that this new information comes out regarding malice, he and USC looks rather foolish and timid for not standing up for itself.
Hopefully this new information provides USC a third chance to stand up and use this finding and the reference to biased investigative work as a means to demand from the NCAA--of which it is a member--fairness and justice, and in particular access to these emails and communications that the NCAA is trying to suppress.
Haden demonstrated leadership--just in the wrong direction with the wrong tone (i.e., "win the right way"), and it's coming full circle now.
Oh, and McNair being let go by USC is actually the strength of his case to demonstrate he suffered financial damages and was unable to find work, because USC didn't choose to test the "show cause" restriction placed on McNair. So USC did him a favor by not retaining him, in regards to this lawsuit.
You and JPL Trojan are vastly underestimating these men
You will realize that at some point
He is wrong
If the records are unsealed before February, and they show exactly what the judge was talking about, we should not only get relief for the 2013 class we should be able to add 10 more players for the kids we lost last year.
And watch Kiffin STILL f*ck it up.
I don't know if Haden has the cajones to do this but he might want to get ahead of this and call up the NCAA to offer them a chance to make USC whole prior to the unsealing of the records. It might allow them to retain the last shred of respectability they have.
Also, what would be the possibility of Pete suing the NCAA if the records show the NCAA had a vendetta out for him? I think the university could sue (and would be on better ground than Tarkanian) on the basis that they agreed to the findings of the NCAA on the assumption that the process was fair and involved no malice.
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Interesting, How so?
Maybe once the files are released Haden would change his mind, but I am not seeing right now.He had a chance to set the tone early but passed.
guess we will find out...but I think the NCAA will appeal and find some relief and then its back to square 1.
Do you mean to say the current proceedings didn't already give the NCAA the power to subpoena people and dig around the program and interview people? You would think in defending themselves, they would be able to subpoena Bush, Carroll, et al.
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