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The SEC SOS, thanks to Bama we know it is a Myth

  • I posted this on the blue board, (I'm sure they won't like it, but sometimes the truth hurts).
    After hearing how many of the SEC folks actually believe that they shouldn't have to play anybody because the SEC is so tough, I just couldn't resist.

    What a joke Alabama's schedule has been since 1990.
    They only played 7 more elite teams (10+ win teams) in conference than USC did over the 22 years.
    Clearly, playing 1 harder conference game every 3 years, shouldn't allow you to schedule so weak OOC.

    Here is a comparison of Alabama & USC schedule going back to 1990.
    No postseason games are considered here, since the debate about SOS is what determines how gets picked for BCS bowls and with the new selection committee format coming soon, it will be more debated than ever 2 years from now.

    Sorry, but there was no way to do this without creating a super long post, so I'll just put the results here first, and then I'll just throw down all the games after so you can see for yourself, if you are interested in this.

    The results: Bama's conf schedule makes up some ground, but not nearly enough, as there was only a 7 game advantage for the Tide over 22 years in the amount of 10 game winning teams each team faced.

    Bama's non-existent OOC schedule and USC's willingness to take on anybody is what gives USC a giant edge in SOS over Alabama. USC played approx 2 seasons worth of games (24) 147-123, more than Alabama did against winning teams. The fact that Alabama's win at Penn St this year was their only win on the road vs an AQ winning team since 1990, almost seems to incredible to be true. Sad, but true.

    USC
    26 Conf games vs 10+ win teams
    17 OOC games vs 10+ win AQ teams
    43 games (vs 10+ win teams (15-28)

    Alabama
    33 Conf games vs 10+ win teams
    3 OOC games vs 10+ win teams
    36 games (vs 10+ win teams (7-29)

    USC
    79 Conf games vs 6-9 win teams(.500 or better)
    22 OOC games vs over .500 AQ teams
    3 OOC games vs 9+ win Non AQ teams
    104 games vs (.500 or better AQ teams or 9+ win Non AQ teams)
    104 + 43 = 147 total games

    Alabama
    72 Conf games vs 6-9 win teams (.500 or better)
    6 OOC games vs over .500 AQ teams
    9 OOC games vs 9+ win Non AQ teams
    87 games vs (.500 or better AQ teams or 9+ win Non AQ teams)
    87 + 36 = 123 total games

    ALABAMA (1990-2011)
    Vs AQ Conference Schools & ND

    Wins - 8
    1995 NC State 3-8
    1996 @NC State 3-8-1
    2006 Duke 0-12
    2008 Clemson 7-6 (Atlanta, GA)
    2009 VaTech 10-3 (Atlanta, GA)
    2010 Penn St 7-6
    2010 @Duke 3-9
    2011 @Penn St 9-4
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    Losses - 6
    1990 Penn St 9-3
    2000 @UCLA 6-6
    2001 UCLA 7-4
    2002 @Oklahoma 12-2
    2003 Oklahoma 12-2
    2007 Florida St 7-6 (Jax, FL)
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    ALABAMA
    Vs Non-AQ Conference Schools

    Losses - 8
    N. Illinois 10-2
    La Tech 9-2
    La Tech 8-3
    @Hawaii 9-5
    S. Miss 8-4
    S. Miss 8-4
    C. Florida 7-4
    La-Monroe 6-6
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Wins - 52
    Hawaii 11-3
    @Hawaii 10-4
    Southern Miss 9-3
    Southern Miss 9-3
    Southern Miss 9-4
    BYU 9-5

    Southern Miss 8-3
    North Texas 8-5
    Houston 8-5
    Southern Miss 7-4
    South Florida 7-4
    La-Lafayette 7-4
    Houston 7-4
    Southern Miss 7-5
    Southern Miss 7-5
    Southern Mis 7-5
    Southern Miss 7-6
    East Carolina 6-5
    Southern Miss 6-5
    Southern Miss 6-5
    Southern Miss 6-5

    Arkansas St 6-6
    @La-Lafayette 5-6
    @Memphis 5-6
    La Tech 5-6
    Southern Miss 5-6
    North Texas 5-7
    Kent St 5-7
    Bowling Green 4-7
    Middle Tenn St 4-7
    La-Monroe 4-8
    Middle Tenn St. 4-8

    Tulane 3-9
    Florida Intl. 3-9
    Utah St. 3-8
    Houston 3-8
    Utah St. 3-8
    La Tech 2-9
    Temple 2-9
    @Tulane 2-9
    North Texas 2-9
    UTEP 2-9
    Memphis 2-9
    Southern Miss 2-8-1
    Tulane 2-10
    W. Kentucky 2-10
    North Texas 2-10
    Cincinnati 1-10
    Tulane 1-10
    Tulane 1-10
    San Jose St 1-12
    Florida Intl. 0-12

    D1-AA (7-0)
    Tenn-Chattanooga 3x
    Western Carolina 2x
    Georgia State
    Georgia Southern

    Alabama Totals (7-0) 7 games vs D1-AA
    Alabama Totals (52-8) 60 games vs Non AQ
    Beat 20 teams with 3 wins or less + 7 D1aa games = 27 wins
    Alabama only 4 wins OOC vs AQ winning teams.
    Alabama (3-2) on the road vs AQ schools, and (4-1) vs the Non AQ schools.
    Totals (68-14) 82 games (7-3) road games
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    USC Road Wins - 22 (12 vs winning teams)
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    2009 @Ohio St 11-2
    2004 @VaTech 11-3* Landover, MD
    2005 @Notre Dame 9-3
    2006 @Arkansas 10-4
    2002 @Colorado 9-5
    2011 @Notre Dame 8-5
    2003 @Auburn 8-5
    1990 @Ohio St 7-4-1
    1990 @Syracuse 7-4-2
    1996 @Houston 7-5
    1997 @Notre Dame 7-6
    1992 @Oklahoma 5-4-2
    2009 @Notre Dame 6-6
    2001 @Notre Dame 5-6
    2007 @Nebraska 5-7
    2003 @Notre Dame 5-7
    1999 @Notre Dame 5-7
    2008 @Virginia 5-7
    2000 @Penn St 5-7 **(E. Rutherford, NJ)
    2007 @Notre Dame 3-9
    2010 @Minnesota 3-9
    1996 @Illinois 2-9

    USC Road Losses - 10
    1994 @Penn St 12-0
    1993 @Notre Dame 11-1
    1998 @Florida St 11-2
    2002 @Kansas St 11-2
    1996 @Penn St 11-2 **
    1993 @Penn St 10-2
    1991 @Notre Dame 10-3
    1995 @Notre Dame 9-3
    2001 @Notre Dame 5-6
    1999 @Notre Dame 5-7
    ==========================================================================
    USC Totals- Road Games (22-10)

    USC Home Wins - 20 (12 vs winning teams)
    1991 Penn St 11-2
    2008 Ohio St 10-3
    2006 Notre Dame 10-3
    2002 Notre Dame 10-3
    1990 Penn St 9-3
    1998 Notre Dame 9-3
    1998 Purdue 9-4 *** (Anaheim,CA)
    2002 Auburn 9-4
    2006 Nebraska 9-5
    1996 Notre Dame 8-3
    1994 Baylor 7-5
    2008 Notre Dame 7-6
    2004 Notre Dame 6-6
    2011 Syracuse 5-7
    2005 Arkansas 4-7
    2010 Virginia 4-8
    2001 Colorado 3-8
    2011 Minnesota 3-9
    1995 Houston 2-9
    1993 Houston 1-9-1

    USC Home Losses - 7
    1997 Florida St 11-1
    1992 Notre Dame 10-1-1
    1993 N.Carolina 10-3 ***
    2000 Notre Dame 9-3
    1990 Notre Dame 9-3
    2010 Notre Dame 8-5
    2001 Kansas St 6-6
    ==================
    1994 Notre Dame 6-5-1 (Tie)

    Vs AQ Conferences & ND
    USC
    Overall Home (20-7-1)
    Overall Road (22-11)
    USC Totals (42-18-1)

    USC Losses vs Non AQ Teams - 1
    Memphis 5-6

    USC Wins vs Non AQ Conf - 18
    @Hawaii 10-4
    Hawaii 9-5
    @Hawaii 9-4

    Fresno St 8-5
    La Tech 8-3
    San Diego St 7-5
    San Jose St 7-5

    BYU 5-6
    San Diego St 5-6
    @Hawaii 5-7
    Utah St 4-7
    BYU 4-8
    Colorado St 4-8
    San Jose St 3-8
    UNLV 3-8
    San Jose St 3-9
    San Jose St 2-10
    Idaho 1-11
    ===============
    @San Diego St 5-5-1 (Tie)

    USC (60-19-2) Overall
    ===================
    42-18-1__61g vs AQ
    18-1-1___20g vs Non AQ
    0-0_____0g vs D1aa
    22-11___32g vs AQ road games
    25-11-1__36g - all road games

    Alabama (68-14) Overall
    ====================
    9-6____15g vs AQ
    52-8___60g vs Non AQ
    7-0____7g vs D1aa
    3-2____5g vs AQ road games
    7-3____10g all road games

    These numbers aren't even close, it's time to man up SEC and play a big boy schedule.

    Edit

  • Wow, so Alabama only played 10 OOC road games in the last 22 years??? How pathetic is that!

  • Is it sad that I actually expected to see less games played by Alabama?

    Didn't USC lose to Utah and TCU when they were non-AQ?

  • Those were bowl games, and he said he wasn't counting those since SOS is determined before the bowls.

  • Your stats posts are always solid gold... Many thanks

  • The assassin in on the prowl again. Great job assassin.


  • Yup, and 5 of the 10 were against Non AQ teams = they split 2 games at Hawaii, and the other 3 vs teams
    with losing records- La-Lafayette, Memphis, and 2-9 Tulane.
    ===================================================

    Here's something that will put some perspective on these numbers.
    It takes a little while to get there, but stay with me for a second and check this out:

    ***
    Since the BCS Era began in 1998, the 12 teams from the SEC have won a combined total
    of 46 OOC games vs AQ teams with a winning record. (No bowl/postseason games included)

    Take out the SEC's top dawg, Georgia, who had 12 of the wins and it leaves you with =

    11 SEC teams = 34 wins. (34-73)

    Since 1990, USC has won 24 games OOC vs AQ teams with a winning record.
    Now, add in USC's 10 Bowl wins vs AQ teams since 1990 and you have a total of 34 wins.

    1- USC = 34 wins (34-18-1)

    USC played 81 games OOC since 1990, (81 + 22 years of potential bowl games)
    minus 4 years (2 yrs banned, 2 yrs under .500) is 81 + 18 = approx 99 games

    The 11 SEC teams, with an approx avg of 48 OOC games per team since 1998 =
    approx 528 games.

    ***
    That means in less than 100 scheduling opportunities (i.e. games) since 1990,
    USC was able to beat the same amount of winning AQ teams, 34,
    as 11 SEC schools beat combined during OOC regular season play since 1998.
    With USC needing approx 429 FEWER scheduling opportunities than those 11 SEC schools to do it!
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    flex cyclops

  • get this info to Tim "SEC stamped on my butt" Brando.

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  • Nice work AGAIN Assassin. Your posts are always money.

  • He forgot to add 14 National Championship Titles and most bowl wins of ALL TIME!!!

  • Really? You want to go down that route?

    1925, undefeated, Rose Bowl win, fair claim
    1926, undefeated, Rose Bowl tie, (shared) fair claim
    1930, undefeated, Rose Bowl win, (shared) fair claim
    1934, undefeated, Rose Bowl win, fair claim
    1941, 2 losses, 3rd place in conference, 20th in AP poll (prebowl), won Cotton Bowl, Minnesota undefeated that year, imaginary title
    1961, undefeated, Sugar Bowl win, fair claim
    1964, 1 loss, Sugar Bowl LOSS, AP title awarded before bowl, Arkansas undefeated that year, imaginary title
    1965, 1 loss, Orange Bowl Win, AP title, fair claim
    1973, undefeated, Sugar Bowl LOSS, Coaches title awarded before bowl, notre dame beat Alabama and won the AP title, imaginary title
    1978, 1 loss, Sugar Bowl Win, won AP, HOWEVER, the 1 loss was to the other Nation Champion, USC. Tainted Title.
    1979, undefeated, Sugar Bowl win, fair claim
    1992, undefeated, Sugar Bowl win, fair claim
    2009, BCS, fair claim
    2011, BCS, fair claim

    So that's ten, not fourteen. MAYBE 11, but really 10. 1941, 1964, 1973 are clearly imaginary. And 1978 is very shaky.

    Even so, irrelevant. You still schedule no one.

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  • There was a video on youtube that was pretty funny, all that information.

    Wonder what happened to it?

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  • I had no idea that the pollsters, computer rankers, and rating systems had picked USC so much more often than Alabama as national champion.

    I don't agree with all of it, but hey it's the consensus and the majority of the selectors and pollsters think over the last century that USC is the lord of the rings.

    Of course, I already knew that, but its just that much better when 75% of the college football world says the same thing.

    Only about 3 of 33 selectors have Bama with more titles than USC!!

    AP (Since 1934, 1936-Present)
    Alabama - 8
    USC - 5
    Michigan - 2

    Sagarin (Since 1919)
    USC - 8
    Michigan - 5
    Alabama - 5

    Sorensen (Since 1869)
    USC - 14
    Michigan - 5
    Alabama - 5

    Maxwell (Since 1882)
    USC 8
    Alabama 6
    Michigan 4

    Bob Kirlin (Since 1912)
    USC - 10
    Michigan - 8
    Alabama - 8

    James Howell (Since 1869)
    USC - 8
    Alabama - 8
    Michigan - 2

    Massey (Since 1930)
    USC - 6
    Alabama - 6
    Michigan - 3

    1st N Goal (Since 1869)
    Michigan - 6
    USC - 5
    Alabama - 5

    Dunkel (Since 1929)
    USC - 8
    Alabama - 6
    Michigan - 3

    Dave Wilson (Since 1869)
    Alabama - 9
    USC - 6
    Michigan - 3

    Billingsley Report (Since 1869)
    Alabama - 7
    USC - 6
    Michigan - 6
    ----------------------------

    Bob Royce (1869-1987)
    USC - 6
    Alabama - 4
    Michigan - 2

    Bill Libby (1900-1974)
    USC - 4
    Michigan - 3
    Alabama - 3

    Angelo Louisa (1900-1995)
    USC - 7
    Alabama - 4
    Michigan - 3

    Nutshell (Since 1869)
    Alabama - 6* (Possibly 7, unknown who they selected in 2011)
    USC - 6
    Michigan - 1

    The Fleming System (1913-2007)
    USC - 10
    Michigan - 4
    Alabama - 2

    Harry Frye (1896-2009)
    USC - 9
    Michigan - 5
    Alabama - 4

    College Football USA (1876-1970)
    USC - 3
    Michigan - 3
    Alabama - 2

    Helms Athletic Foundation (1883-1982)
    USC - 7
    Michigan - 5
    Alabama - 5

    Earl R. Jessen (1875- 1974)
    Michigan - 5
    USC - 4
    Alabama - 2

    Poling Systems (1924-1984)
    USC - 4
    Michigan - 4
    Alabama - 4

    Harry DeVold (1939-2007)
    USC - 5
    Alabama - 3
    Michigan - 2

    UPI (1958-1995)
    USC - 5
    Alabama - 4

    Matthews Grid Ratings (1966-2006)
    USC - 6
    Alabama - 3
    Michigan - 1
    =======================

    Jeff Self (Since 1950)
    USC - 4
    Alabama - 4

    Football Writers Association of America (Since 1954)
    USC - 6
    Alabama - 5
    Michigan - 1

    Matthews Grid Ratings (1966-2006)
    USC - 6
    Alabama - 3
    Michigan - 1

    Quality Champions (Since 1978)
    USC - 3
    Alabama - 2 (maybe 3 depending on 2011)

    SW Tech (Since 1982)
    USC - 3
    Alabama - 2 (maybe 3 depending on 2011)

    Congrove (Since 1993)
    USC - 2
    Alabama - 1

    Seattle Times (Since 1997)
    USC - 1
    Alabama - 1

    Colley Rankings (Since 1998)
    USC - 1
    Alabama - 1

    CBS Sportsline (Since 1998)
    USC - 2
    Alabama - 1

    Scoreboard!
    USC is the king of college football

    Bummer, Bammers

  • bow

    What games are you coming to? You know you will always be invited to our tailgate!

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  • Awesome, thanks.
    I usually go to at least 3 home games,
    I'll let you know and I'll definately take you up on that offer!
    cheers

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  • Sending you a pm....

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