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First of all this is based on how the team has played the first 3 games.
1. Dline should be better next year. Its a young group this year add vanderlous,bigelow,hatcher,fitts to it and we have a ton of talent and depth.
2. LB we should be better we return 3 starters with saro getting a lot of reps this year with ruffin and starr behind them.
3. Secondary will take a hit with roby and mcdonald. But marvin sanders is one of if not the best db coach in cfb and we have a ton of talent back there.
4. Qb this might sound crazy but i think wittek will be better than barkley only because the oline is so bad. Barkley running for his life makes him below average.
5. Oline it has to be better next year returning 4 of 5 olineman with a coaching change if the line does not improve this year. Can the oline get any worse this year?
6. Rb with madden coming back along with redd/morgan/davis/issac behind a better oline the rb position should be better.
7. Wr again with improved oline play this group should be better. Even if woods does not return lee/agholor/flourney,farmer,blackwell/3 true frosh should be plenty.
8. TE everyone returns
So in essence every position should be as good or better except secondary next year based on how they have played this year. The oline playing so bad drags everyone on that side of the ball down.
Not sure you're going to get much agreement on #4, but I agree there is a chance to be a better team, mostly because we have an opportunity to be really special in the trenches.
I dont know why everyone thinks Robey is a gonner, regardless of what he thinks now, one conversation with an NFL evaluator and I'd imagine he'd think about coming back to get his degree and put on some lb's.
If barkley is running for his life he is below average like most pro style qbs are. Give me wittek with a better oline. Naturally the same applies to wr/rb/te
The biggest thing for being better next year is you trade Oregon/Washington for Oregon St/Washington St.
The great thing about college football is every team has holes they will have to fill. With the talent on the roster, USC should do a better job at filling those holes than the competition,
USC can be great next year even with inexperience at QB, but the question remains is will the OC allow that talent to shine or hold it back to afraid to play through the mistakes?
That was one game. Similar to ASU last season, and Barkley finished with 39 tds to 7 picks. He already had 10 td's in the first 2 games, and when USC makes it to the conference championship and bowl game, he's going to shatter that td record. I know his replacement will be good, I just have a hard time believing he'll be better than Barkley regardless of what the oline does.
I think next years team can be in the top 5. There can be as many as 16 returning starters, the number one recruiting class, and the drop off from Barkley to Wittek will be there but it won't be insane.
Though I wouldn't say we'll be "better." We will simply have different strengths and weaknesses.
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We will be better at the LOS on both sides of the ball. That is where games are won and lost first. I'll focus on next year later, but the potential is there.
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Leonard Williams will be an AA next year. I wouldn't worry too much about the secondary. You can't throw the ball with your back on the ground.
Tee Martin on staff as well. That will be the talk of the offseason.
There will be no drop off with wittek if the oline does not improve alot this year for barkley. Plus wittek will have a much better running game. This is all based on the first 3 games of course.
This ^^^^^^ the potential to be the best front seven we have had in a long time. Mix in a better oline and all of a sudden next year looks dam good.
True, but this team could also go 13-1.
It's certainly possible. It should be a very good year and potentially a great year. Depends on how the players who step in perform: Wittek/Kessler, the new CB's, the new center, etc.
I think 2014, at paper at least, looks to be a special year. Basically it will be next year's team with an added year of experience.
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So I guess Steve Sogge was better since he had Ron Yary and OJ. Not sure you aren't trying to compare apples and oranges.
In 2014, Isaac behind a monster line will put up insane numbers. INSANE.
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I am really not seeing a big difference between 2013 vs 2014 except for the QB being more experience. In fact I think the 2014 could have more players to replace, they just might not carry the name value.
2013 Replace 1 of 5 OL (Holmes)
2014 Replace 2 of 5 OL (Graf and Martinez)
2013 Replace 1 of 4 DL ( Could gain DK back and Uko could leave early)
2014 Replace 2 of 4 DL ( Breslin, DK if he returns, Uko if he leaves early)
2013 Replace 0 of 3 LB
2014 Replace 0 of 3 LB (though I could see Pullard, Dawson or Bailey deciding to leave early)
2013 Replace 3 of 4 DBs (counting Robey as leaving early, but the replacements at S are very experienced)
2014 Replace 1 of 4 DBs (could potentially be losing both starting safeties in Bowman and Wright)
Even if Woods leaves, in 2013 USC will still have a star at WR in Lee. In 2014, while the QB will be a year more experienced, the WRs will be far less experienced.
It's going to come down to the O line, secondary, and QB. Our front 7 will be better and we'll still be loaded at the skills positions. If the line improves, and we can replace Barkley and the secondary, I think we can definitely be better. The last 3 champions had first year starters at QB, and as someone else mentioned, Tennessee won an NC after losing one of the best QBs of all time
Great post. Demetrius Wright and Gerald Bowman are juniors. In 2014 both will be gone. In 2014 USC will replace three defensive backs.
The depth at tight end will help with the wide receivers since there are three sophomores and two freshmen.
Thats the point nobody think a first year starter wittek will be better than barkley straight up. But give wittek the better line and better running game and wittek gains the advantage. This is based on 3 games performance very early obviously. Look how bad tom brady looked last week with his beat up line.
Not sure why everyone is treating Robey leaving early as a foregone conclusion, personally I don't see it.
when was the last time we had an out of region player who was a projected 1st or 2nd rounder stay?
The QB position alone should experience a pretty significant leap from 1st to 2nd year starter. Matt Leinart was an exception to this rule (he was great his first year as a starter). Matt Barkley or Carson Palmer's career arc is much closer to the way things usually progress with a QB. Add to that the fact that Kiffin may restrict next year's QB a lot more in the offense than he will the following year, when he trusts him more.
Your numbers are correct regarding the position groups. My feeling is that this year and next year's recruiting classes are going to figure heavily into some of those incumbent spots. Not so much LB, where our returning trio will be great (and where Bailey and Pullard, not being of ideal NFL size, may very well be four-year starters), but at DB, OL, and DL. 2013 will be a year (in my opinion) where a lot of those young players cut their teeth, paving the way for 2014. Among those players: Seymour, Tuerk, Jordan Simmons, Isaac, Davis, Ruffin, Ramsey, Redfield, Cravens, Bigelow, Vanderdoes, Hatcher.
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