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If I am wrong please correct me. I know that USC has been recruiting defensive players that are built for spread offenses, which makes sense because a number of teams in the PAC-12 are spread offenses. I am concerned because there are teams that run more pro style offenses and are power running teams such as Stanford, etc and our defense might struggle against those teams since they may not be built to combat that. Would it make sense to recruit some players who can stop power teams and some who can stop spread offenses or a combination or neither? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.
This post was edited by mfox100 20 months ago
I actually think this is one huge reason why Pervot was recruited.
Do you project Prevot to grow? He’s 6’4” but only 205 right now--too small for a DE or LB.
Maybe they project him to be a future MLB?
It's easier to have speed and athleticism and adjust accordingly to a power team.
Rather then a big power defense and try and adjust to a speed spread team.
An extra CB ?
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
This^ also if you look at it, we're recruiting pretty monster d-tackles, pass rushing ends and smaller linebacker types. Very similar to LSU. You don't need big guys to stop power running teams, just need players that can consistently penetrate the oline.
I would say that is incorrect. USC is recruiting the best players out there without thinking this player will be better against a spread or a power run game.
Other than Prevott, who has USC recruited defensively this year that is better suited play against a spread instead of any other offense?
I agree with you 100%.I'd say the staff generally just goes after the best available talent at whatever position their trying to fill.I think all schools just want the most intelligent athletically gifted athlete's they can find.
Über athletic guys like Cravens and Redfield. Like Dion Bailey, these 2 will have the ability to play as an ultra fast OLBer, PERFECT for these wide open spread O's. Lots of options for Kiffin to play with.
Hatcher and Prevot. 2 edge guys that are all about speed.
LBer Hutchings, a guy that can go sideline to sideline like a gazelle. Picture perfect as he reads an option out on the corner.
Even our 2 big DTs. These aren't 350 monster run stuffers, these are big YouTube athletic freaks.
It's not about who's better for the spread. It's all about what the game has come to. It's all about speed and athleticism.
Yeah good question.
But I think with speed and athleticism we can scheme and stop power running teams. U just have to have athletes. A pretty good example is tcu beating Wisconsin in the rose two yrs ago. Tcu had smaller atletic guys. WI had the biggest o line, nfl tight end, and monte ball running the rock. Sure WI ain't bama, but tcu aint USC either. They had good good athletes and adjusted to the way WI pounds the rock. We will be fine. Depth is the only concern re preparing for a potential match up with a bama LSU.
The bottom line is that the players USC has targeted on defense hasn't changed even as offenses move to the spread.
Cravens and Redfield are two excellent prospects that USC would have targeted even if every offense was like Oregon's or based on power run game like Stanford's. Hutching is the #1 LB in CA and the same applies to him. USC has always gone after a WDE that can be a speed rusher.
When was the last time USC went after a 350 monster at DT? I would say Bigelow and Vanderdoes might be 2 of the bigger DTs USC has signed (when they sign) in the last decade.
If anyone is looking for some major change with how USC recruits, I think they are grasping for something that isn't there.
This post was edited by TrojanMindSC 20 months ago
Speed first - Size second - Both whenever you can.
Cry Havoc; and let slip the dogs of war!
We recruited Loni Fangupo who played for us for a year before transferring to BYU.
I dont think anyone is looking for major changes, we want the #1 players all over the nation. When we get those guys we may convert a safety to OLBer to battle these wide open O's. Or we'll grab 2 ultra fast speed rushers instead of 1 or 0.
You have 2 elite safeties and we can only take 1. So they take a kid that 1 day may be able to play in the box. Suttle stuff.
If your a second level Pac-12 school and you need to find the scraps thats fits your system, THEN its obvious. If your SC, we are trying to get the #1 guy anyway, but maybe grabbing an extra couple players that fits the system, this 4 star prospect instead of that 4 star prospect for what your trying to build.
-Grabbing a 3 star JC Morgan Breslin for SPEED off the edge. Maybe we go with something else if we dont have to worry about Oregons O.
-Devante Wilson, a 3 star project who is built on speed off the edge. Maybe if we are only worrying about big power teams, we dont take him.
-3 star athlete/OLBer Tre Madden. Same thing. #25 OLBer ranking but maybe USC wanted him instead of the #14 guy from California because of what Kiffin envisioned he could do vs a up temp O.
Pre-Kiffin, Loni, Vehikite, Kaveinga, Campbell, Reardon, Parsons. Fine football players but would Kiffin take all these prospects for his athletic D today? Or would he roll the dice on an extra speed project or 2 because of the spread?
I agree with a lot of people here that the coaches are the getting the best players available in their opinion that will really suit our defense. It is also a plus if that player can play multiple position in a very high level specially with this scholarship reductions. Sua Cravens is the perfect recruit for USC if you asked me.
By the time they are 23, the age Fangupo was when he was being recruited, I bet both Vanderdoes and Bigelow are just as big as Fangupo. Fangupo was 323 at the NFL combine. Bigelow and Vanderdoes are both 300+ going into their senior years of high school, with huge frames.
No matter who you play or where you play, it starts with the DL. As long as it takes their 5 guys to block your 4, you win.
I Believe in Ed Orgeron.
madden can play O also which is key in fighting schollie limitations
He also was probably the best OLB recruit in the west(Jason Gibson being the only other, and he had to learn to play LB) and was an Army AA.
i forget, where did gibson end up? cal?
As much as I dislike Oregon, look at what their smaller defense did to Stanford's power offense last year. Then compare it to how they did against USC. Perfect example of how it's easier it adjust to power than it is to speed. They could never catch up to USC's offense.
This post was edited by JFA82 20 months ago
Yes, and he like Madden is out for the season. Recently broke his foot.
was he going to be a starter?
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