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NCAA gives ultimatum to players in UM investigation; Canes, Dolphins, Marlins, Heat chatter
WEDNESDAY BUZZ COLUMN
The NCAA has delivered a new and disturbing ultimatum to numerous former University of Miami football players: Either talk to us or we’ll believe Nevin Shapiro’s claims against you.
The NCAA last week mailed a letter to former players that allegedly committed NCAA violations by accepting gifts from Shapiro, including dinners, prostitutes, trips to nightclubs, cash and other perks. Shapiro told the NCAA that 114 players committed violations; Yahoo previously identified 72 of them.
Only players who were playing college football at the time the investigation was launched are required to speak to the NCAA. Thirteen current or former UM football players did so in 2011. So the players who were sent the letter last week are no longer playing college football; some are in the NFL.
The letter, which I obtained, gives the players a Friday deadline to speak to the NCAA. What’s surprising is that the NCAA states in the letter that it will conclude the players committed violations if they do not respond.
UM officials were privately hopeful that many of the allegations made against players who left UM several years ago cannot be corroborated. Unless the NCAA is bluffing, it appears it might take Shapiro’s word on these claims unless the players refute them.
In recent days, several players and their attorneys have been trying to decide whether to speak to the NCAA. Even Tuesday, one said he's not sure what he will do. So it’s unclear how many players will speak to the NCAA.
Here’s how the letter to one player attorney reads:
"The purpose of this letter is to apprise you that the NCAA enforcement staff is requesting to schedule an interview with your clients regarding their knowledge of or involvement in possible NCAA violations concerning the University of Miami, Florida, football program.
"Interviewing your clients is important in order for the enforcement staff to conduct a thorough investigation, and both the staff and the institution request you and your clients’ cooperation in this matter. However, at this time, all attempts to schedule and execute interviews with have been unsuccessful. As a result, this letter serves as a formal and final request by the NCAA enforcement staff for interviews with to be completed by Nov. 23, 2012.
“If we do not hear back from you or your clients by that time, the staff will consider the non-response as your client’s admission of involvement in NCAA violations. You may contact me at in order to arrange this interview. Your assistance in this matter is appreciated.”
Assistant Director of Enforcement
### My opinion: Regardless of whether it's bluffing or not, the NCAA - by sending this letter to former players - is being heavy-handed and manipulative. Considering the NCAA has no jurisdiction over former players, it's offensive that it would threaten to believe a convicted felon without additional corroboration. A felon, for that matter, who's in jail for a crime involving lying (a Ponzi scheme).http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2012/11/ncaa-gives-ultimatum-to-players-in-um-investigation-canes-dolphins-marlins-heat-chatter.html
Thing is..Shapiro did many questionable things in public, directly challenging the director of compliance in the press box? It was so blatant, why wouldn't they believe him???
This was no back door shenanigans, this was in your face, blatant association with people at the highest level of that university.
"Here are provided seats of meditative joy, where shall rise again the destined reign of Troy." Virgil
I've always been of the opinions, "if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem with talking to the NCAA?" Regardless, the NCAA is going to do what the NCAA wants to do. Righteous indignation is a waste of time.
They're giving Miami an either/or proposition. They just straight up believed it with USC.
Anyways, regardless of whether or not people find this offensive, I am amazed the NCAA hasn't executed this threat before. Without the power to subpoena or otherwise compel people to even talk to them (much less provide testimony), this seems like the only way for the NCAA to remedy that crutch.
This post was edited by theknuckleUSC 17 months ago
Shapiro has literally thousands of pictures, receipts, corroborative testimony from other former players, an equipment manager, even store employees, supposedly former coaches, and many of the former players all but admitted it already with comments such as "that is in the past." If they don't just fess up, there is a boatload of evidence against them anyways. What I don't understand is why it even matters if they get these guys to admit it, when they already have several that have; what difference does it make if you have unmitigated proof that 15 guys took benefits or 70?
That's kind of how it works, guys. You don't have to testify or call other witnesses in your own trial, but if you don't then the judge/jury will just believe the witnesses for the prosecution.
NCAA basically did the exact same thing with USC. Mayo didn't talk and they just concluded he was guilty.
Bush and McNair talked and it didn't matter. The NCAA had already decided the facts of the case and was just talking to them to find more things to dig up.
Apparently private colleges with good academics in major cosmopolitan cities are a threat to the redneck powers that be in college football.
I don't know if the basketball claim is exactly true. They first implicated Tim Floyd, but later the NCAA said he had no involvement or knowledge and basically exonerated him.
He also testified on his own behalf.
And wasn't Mayo cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse, and then found guilty of things that were already investigated??
Lets just make up shit as we go.......
"there is the SEC, and then there is USC." - Marcus Allen, 11-26-11
Just because he's a felon it doesn't mean he is lying.
Yes. Mayo was investigated for amateurism issues prior to his enrollment, cleared, then investigated again for amateurism issues. Tim Floyd was subsequently cleared. So the NCAA basically said "as a result of our investigation, no one previously knew that Mayo had issues, including the Us, theNCAA, as a result of our own previous investigation, but USC should have"
Agreed !!! He has no reason to lie ...
If that's true, why would anyone discredit him. Even parents of kids who are playing at Miami believe they will get hit hard.
USC and Miami are apples and oranges if you ask me.
Booster vs perspective agent
Player perks primarily vs family perks
Vey nicely documented on social networks vs very clandestine
Many warning signs on campus vs everything off campus (Reggie's car was a beater when he bought it and he said dad gave him money for it)
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