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There is really no need to argue, if he was legit he would have seen the field in some sort of capacity by now. I have no idea how he can't get on the field on special teams either. On kick offs and punts, he was a man among boys his senior season.
Pat Turner 2.0? Tell'n ya'll, it might be into his senior season before he see's playing time. Unless he transfers of course.
I never said he WASN'T worthy. I specifically said we just don't know - so why speculate on GF and not Burks, or Heyward, or Banner, or Wheeler, etc. etc. etc. It's because of his HS ranking and that's a really crappy way to judge talent. Kiffin very well may be screwing this up - but people saying things like, "He NEEDS to get the ball in his hand!" are just pulling things out of their butt. Remember when Kiffin said Dillon Baxter - another highly touted 5 star - was the best player on the team? How did that work out?
Cry Havoc; and let slip the dogs of war!
I will agree with the fact that it made no sense to burn a RS year this year with Farmer. That's mind boggling to me.
Tee Martin said he was a ferrari.
But Baxter got multiple opportunities during games where as GF has not. The few plays he has got hes looked pretty explosive, why cant we throw him a few passes every week?
I think the reason we are waiting on GF to appear and not Burks is because he has the size and speed. Hes done well in practice apparently, and hes a mismatch.
This. It seems like every time he's touched the ball he's picked up at least 10. I hope we can give him a shot in the bowl game.
i'm surprised he hasn't transferred yet with the touches he's been getting.
This post was edited by jamesbball22 16 months ago
Bravo, phrear. Well said friend.
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Baxter played running back when we only had 2 other running backs. Farmer had the opportunity to play running back and decided he wanted to go back to WR. You can't really compare the two
Stop the insanity of stating that Kiffin is the best coach and knows more, blh blah blah. Kiff got outcoached by everybody this year. I know some players personally and have spoken the them about Kiff. They say he holds grudges like no one else. Once you're in his doghouse, it's tough to get out. Like I've said before, if Lane had to be held to his own standard of perfection as he does for his players, he should've resigned by now. Prater came and went never sniffing the field for a second even in red zone situations where we sucked. Farmer hasn't seen the field much despite being very good in practice. BUT, then again, Robert Woods isn't that bad yet can't get passes thrown to him either in this offense. Grimble, Telfer and the RB's say hello to your comments. Farmer should be on the field and see a few slant passes as well as a couple deep balls er game.
This post was edited by scgabe 16 months ago
After escaping Kiffin Brice Butler had 23 catches for 343 yds at SDSU and Kyle Prater had 8 catch for 47 yards at NW. Both schools are DEEP with talent at WR, that's why these former prep nationally ranked athletes didn't set the world on fire. Clearly Kiffin should have fought to keep them and benched Lee and Woods to get these formerly consensus top ranked recruits on the field.
No offense, but you are anybody on this board are not a better or more qualified CFB head football coach than Kiffin. Complain all you want, but if you were, you wouldn't be here on a message board postulating about a kid you've never even met. The backup QB is always the most popular guy on the team; it seems here that it is always the 4th string WR as it was Prater before.
I 100% agree Lane has done a good job to mask all of the O-Line deficiencies we had this year and that many of our problems boiled down to the trenches.
However, I cannot defend him for putting in George solely to block. He gets 1v1 coverage 20 yards to the side of the play, it's not like his block even mattered, it's just to give Marqise time to walk down the sideline and get in for the next play instead of running to the line of scrimmage after a deep route. Just throw to George once every game or two for god's sake to keep the defense honest, and he might even surprise you and catch one. BTW, fine, George may have been over-rated, Lane did the same exact thing with Flourney. There has to be a way to get our 4th receiver more than 2 catches for an entire season, whoever that guy is.
Based on statistics that one can use to judge OL play, USC had one of the best all around OLs in the country. The perception that our OL was extremely weak was used as a red herring to defend Kiffin for calling bubble screens for the first 6 weeks of the season.
I think some people here are missing the point. It's not all about Farmer, and no one is saying we should bench Woods or Lee. The point here is there are so many guys (pretty much anyone not named Marqise Lee, and that includes Robert Woods) who were not utilized enough in the passing game. Why so few passes to the TEs? And don't tell me they were pass blocking on every play. Why did Agholor barely see any balls thrown his way after his breakout game against Oregon? Farmer looked pretty good in the few times he got the ball last year. You could see the explosive potential. But more than that, as I said (and no one has responded to this), why did we run the ball (almost) every time he went in the game? He would usually get in for a handful of plays each game, and with a few exceptions, we ran the ball every time he was in there. Why be that predictable? And furthermore, is anyone here seriously saying guys like Soma and Pinner have proven themselves to be trusted in getting passes thrown their way in key situations, yet Farmer hasn't even justified being on the field or passing when he is on? And if you don't wanna focus on Farmer, why are we throwing to Soma on fourth and goal instead of Grimble or Telfer?
As said before. He should have redshirted. Get healthy. Learn your playbook etc. There was no point to waste a yr and his talents on special teams. Especially behind Wood and Lee. It is what it is. If Woods comes back id expect him to redshirt or transfer if he cant get legitimate playing time.
"If this was a prize fight they'd call it off"- F ND!
1. I've quietly been concerned that perhaps Farmer could be in Kiffins doghouse for not being a team player and wanting to be switched back to WR instead of playing RB like CLK wanted him to.
2. It appears Matt Barkley is in agreement with your comments, as evidenced by the following quotes in today's LA Times:
But Coach Lane Kiffin fielded questions about comments Barkley made this week regarding USC's offense and its reliance on Lee. On Monday, during a radio and television interview on the "Dan Patrick Show," Barkley said Lee was special, that he did a great job for the Trojans, and that he was at times unstoppable.
"I think at times, though, I think we focused too much on him as a team and we took away from other great playmakers like Robert [Woods] and our tight ends who are phenomenal players, to where defenses saw that and just kind of overcrowded Marqise," Barkley said. "But he still managed to make plays, but I think we could have done a better job of utilizing other players."
Who are any of us to argue with a QB who even believed they could've done a better job of utilizing other players?
Coach disagrees with quarterback's opinion that the Trojans focused too much on Marqise Lee at the expense of other receivers.
further supports my statement that Kiffin was the one dictating who got the receptions on offense, not Barkley.
Kiff needs to stop being so reactionary with his comments. This appears to be the 2nd or 3rd time that he rebukes one of Barkley's comments.
The Farmer situation is mystifying...almost disturbing. How does a high school superstar with prototypical size and speed not even make a dent on the college level? Were the recruiting evaluations way off? Has he regressed? Is USC simply the wrong place at the wrong time for him?
Hopefully there will be a new play caller next year which may help the farmer situation
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
every receiver in the country would have problems seeing the field in our offense, with woods and lee in front of them. farmer will get his shot at some point.
This post was edited by washtrojanfan 16 months ago
While it's true that a lot of the problem with Farmer is the fact that the guys ahead of him are so good, it's an undeniable fact that we utilize multiple receivers less than almost any team out there. Or why we run almost every time Farmer does get in the game. Farmer, Blackwell, and Flournoy all tied for fourth most receptions among WRs with 1. Farmer and Blackwell got theirs in garbage time and Flournoy caught his the first half of the Colorado game when we were up 26-6. Even Agholor only averaged about one catch a game aside from the Oregon game and three catches in garbage time against Colorado and Hawaii. And that also doesn't explain underutilizing the TEs or why Soma, even with all his drops, ended up with more catches than Redd and McNeal, who are much better receiving threats.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by trojans2015 16 months ago
The truth of the matter is that USC never got enough receivers involved in the offense. Farmer, Flournoy as well as the tight ends deserved more touches.
I don't care how good Lee was the ball needed to be given to more bodies to not have other teams always looking to double team Lee and/or Woods.
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