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With the BIG10 going to 14, the ACC staying at 14 (after they replace Maryland) and the SEC at 14, will the PAC12 expand to 14?
Right now the PAC12 is already at a significant disadvantage by playing 9 conference games with 12 total teams. That disadvantage will only grow with other conferences expanding.
Even with the playoffs, PAC12 teams will likely have to go undefeated to get into the playoffs.
I think the PAC12 has to expand, but I just don't see 2 teams worth adding. Looks like Larry Failure Scott blew it when he didn't destroy the BIG12 and take OU/OSU.
Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
Larry Scott screwed the pooch... doesn't realize he was hired to run a conference, not a cable network.
not his fault. He wanted to take Oklahoma and Okie St, but the PAC-12 presidents said no, not without Texas.
Only if we can have 11 conference games
Screw 14, might as well bump it all the way up to 16 since that's the way conferences are headed. Ou, ok st, Ut, and Tt.
My guess is that in 5-10 years, the big east and big 12 either won't exist or will be relegated to non-aq status. It will be almost impossible for any team outside of the 4 super conferences to make the playoffs. I mean, the 4 team playoff would be sort of perfect with 4 super conferences. You'd basically keep the regular season (at least the conference part) as extremely important where every game counts. Then there would be what amounts to an 8 team playoff. Division winners face off. Conference champs face off. Then the national championship.
Big-12 has pretty much solidified itself. It is the ACC who is teetering on irrelevancy.
We should make a last run at Texas. My guess is that Texas A&M's success after bolting may have given them pause.
Actually, with the SEC already at 14 and the B1G now looking to get to 14, it may force the PAC to shoot their load and go straight to 16.
With the playoff system and selection committee coming in 2014, having a conference championship game may be a tie-breaker between similar teams. This puts the Big-12 at a disadvantage. Likewise for the ACC which will drop down to 10 teams now. The Big (L)East is going up over 12 so they can get a CCG (and expand their TV market).
The Pac should just take the 4 best teams from the Big-12 and call it a day.
Really? The big 12 has 10 teams when everyone else is moving towards 14-16. The ACC lost Maryland, but is gaining Syracuse, Pitt, and likely Notre Dame down the road.
Meanwhile, the big 12 is hanging by a thread. If Texas or OU leaves, it's done. Oklahoma and OSU already showed great interest in joining the Pac. If they both go, who could the big12 possibly bring in to replace them? On top of that, the big sticking point with Texas, the longhorn network, is tanking. They still haven't convinced a cable or satellite provider to take the channel. They have yet to draw more than a tenth of a point in tv ratings for any game.
Is Texas Tech really a better option than Baylor?
Baylor is a Baptist school. I don't think the Pac-12 doesn't want any religious affiliated schools (outside of ND).
I don't know and I don't really care which of those 2 jumps aboard. It's about getting OU and UT. The other 2 are whoever they want to bring along for the ride.
This was supposedly true when discussing BYU, so I believe that would be an issue with Baylor.
I think we may see Florida St to the Big-12 this offseason, and possibly Clemson as well.
If your not 1st your last!
I think the PAC really looks at academic qualities also. I looked at the 2013 US News & World Report University rankings and here are the PAC schools in the top 100 as well as some potential schools to get us to 16:
Notre Dame T17
By getting Texas and Oklahoma, you get two power-house athletic programs, as well as schools that are academically better than half the PAC right now. Plus, the Pac-12 Network would get a foothold in the large Dallas market.
Larry Scott should also try to pry ND out of their ACC deal. ND would fit just fine in the PAC. Academically, they match up and once again, the Pac-12 NW gets a foothold into the Chicago market.
I couldn't less about the 4th team. Not sure about the religious thing with BYU, but that would give Utah their natural rival back. Or maybe we try for a 2nd school within the state of Texas to aid in recruiting.
For a traditionalist like me, this is all so hard to accept, but the only constant is change. We either get on board early or we are behind the curve. The PAC does need to do something in order to stay near the top of the pecking order for the future playoff system.
It isn't going to happen. The Pac 12 is going to leave 4 spots open for Texas, Texas Tech, OU, and OK State for the rest of our lives. The Big Ten will do the same thing for Notre Dame.
Nearly spat the coffee outta my mouth this morning when I picked up today's Washington Post and read about the Terps going to the Big 10.
They'll have to pay a hefty 50 million in this divorce.
What is so special about Texas Tech and Oklahoma State? They are okay athletic schools and not great academic schools. Are they just along to provide a "partner" for Texas and Oklahoma?
Big 10 courting ND (who's already joined the ACC in basketball) is like the guy who keeps proposing to a girl even after she's started sleeping with someone else.
This post was edited by oldtrojan 93 20 months ago
I don't like what this has become but the pac 12 needs to do something to stay in the picture with all this other movement. Conf championship games might become the playoff quarterfinals.
This post was edited by USC1980 20 months ago
That's why I think Texas and Oklahoma will be open to moving. If the Big-12 has no CCG, then they are already at a disadvantage. If Larry Scott can convince Texas to fold the LHN, then I think it's a done deal. Now....to speculate on the division alignments.....Maybe East and West now?
West: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA
East: Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, Texas, Oklahoma, Team #15, Team #16
It is HIS job to explain the the presidents what is best for the conference. If Scott said I want OU and Okie State, both would part of the conference.
From what I understand he did recommend that we take just the Oklahoma schools, once Texas backed out at the last minute.
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