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Our basketball team right now is a great example of how bad coaching can make players look like an issue. There were some on this board that argued that the basketball team couldn't score because they didn't have the talent or players to put the ball in the hoop.
With KO, the team averaged 63 PPG. The same group of players are averaging 78 PPG with a new offensive philosophy.
And the defense is now an after thought.
They still can't make a FT.
The have size and were out scored in the paint.
What philosophy? 2-man game on one side of the court? Jio having a good night jacking it up from the outside? You must have loved ASU's in your face defense last night. It was as tough as USC's...it was non-existent.
...and defense is now an after thought
Offensive efficiency is up higher under Cantu than defensive efficiency is down. KenPom.com is a great place for the breakdown of statistics if you are into that kind of stuff. That being said, the single biggest difference is Cantu plays USC's most talented player Terrell. Cantu is not the answer but losing a game in the 90's in OT is helluva lot more riveting than losing a game 48-45.
Also, basketball related of note, is it looks like Howland is inching closer to getting another year at UCLA. Southern California is loaded with top prospects in next years class so if SC hires a coach with an emphasis on playing up-tempo ball I think they can sign a top 5-10 class.
I do not care about stats because they are such a small part of the equation.
The college game is dominated by a strong PG.
And tenacious defense
USC is now 0 for 3 in those categories.
PS. Everyone beats Utah...that's the only win so far.
I think it's worth nothing that a lot of the "defense" appears to have been a smoke screen. Is it that the defense was so good or is it that they just slowed the tempo down so much that there wasn't enough time to score a lot of points?
Cry Havoc; and let slip the dogs of war!
The biggest difference I see with Cantu's offense/subs is that players aren't totally gassed at the end of games.
How many times did you see a KO offense run a double screen on the baseline run in a circle, get a pass, and still have nothing open. The offense is much more "deliberate" in where people move. Cantu scrubbed the plays that got us nowhere and put in players like JT who could create for themselves.
On the defensive side, we haven't gotten better but I don't think we have gotten worse. We may be allowing more points, but that's only because the other team is getting more possessions, the tempo is faster. I think the FG% is right around where it was with KO this year (which BTW is a higher percentage than the last few years when we were better on D).
I know Cantu wants to use the bigs, he's played 2 at a time before, but unfortunately Omar has no defensive speed and Dwayne is foul machine. Work definitely needs to be done to improve our size play. It would be great to see Renaldo or Ari just "get it" and be that tall wing forward we need.
Last note: TW, we beat OSU as well, and despite blowing a 15-pt lead looked pretty good doing it. The end of the game also showed Cantu's willingness to adjust, playing Aaron at the 5 for the final play because he realized the speed was better than the size for the type of offense OSU was running down the stretch.
We agree on something!
PG every time.
Nice to have banger inside to get the ball off the glass.
Defense, defense, defense.
Having a #2 that can actually put the ball in the hole is also helpful.
USC is soft. No fundamentals.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jpltrojan1 18 months ago
Oops, my bad. I actually watched that game too.
CKO rarely if ever played anything than a man to man style of defense unless he had to for personnel reasons( foul trouble). Wanting to extend the energy on defense and play methodical on offense is a philosophy that is used in the NBA for a reason. As well, good defense can lead to fast break opportunities.
Playing methodical offense is okay...playing lost because nobody could penetrate, set a pick, hit a shot, or get a rebound is not.
Agree, I like his player rotation.
I'm not knocking Cantu at all, however, watching SC get beat baseline all night when they were the 2/3 zone was pissing me off. They also need to block out better for rebounding...another flaw with the zone defense.
Actually, stats mean a lot. Not sure you're saying that just because you are incredibly stubborn but everything you stated can essentially be explained by stats. Sharps in Vegas are pretty statisically oriented and many use algorithms on their computer to make their own spreads. Also note, 8 of the last 10 NCAA champions had O and D efficiences in the top 10. Strong PG play is an indicator of a team likely to have a strong offensive efficiency bc he handles the ball the most and is either creating easy buckets for teammates, an elite scorer, or both. Obviously a team with a tenacious defense would have a really good defensive efficiency rating and a strong inside game can easily be explained by stats. Again, not sure what you're trying to prove but everything you stated can be fairly easily explained by those stat things....
Nothing has changed, J. They were hot from the outside last night against a poor defensive team.
Here's a stat to suckle on for a minute...Jio makes his FT's they win the game.
And off of that, Michigan looks like the team most likely to be Mizzou'ed early in the tourney. Mizzou was not very good defensively (115th nationally despite being a 2 seed). Michigan can be banged inside, will be interesting, but if they are a little off shooting they could definitely lose like a 3/14 game.
It's too early to tell anything about this coaching staff or this team. The only thing they've done so far under Cantu was beat Oregon State in less than convincing fashion. Oregon State is 10th in the Pac 12 with an awesome 1-5 record.
Let's start this thread again after they play Arizona and UCLA twice, take two more tough road trips, and play three must win games at home.
Totally agree. I cannot fathom how college athletes give up the baseline so easily.
It's ridiculous. My middle school coach would make us defensive slide up a mountain if we gave up baseline.
We also beat Stanford. Just putting it out there (:
KO's defense -- 64 ppg.
Cantu -- 80 ppg.
I'll take Cantu based solely on the fact that the past three games have been more fun to watch, however, as Chris said, it's WAY too early to judge CBC.
The point is about coaching philosophies and style of coaching, which still stands.
A team that had trouble scoring can all of a sudden score. It wasn't the players, it was the coaching.
A team that was an ok defensive team now can't stop anyone.
Great coaching can hide weakness or create weakness.
I meant since the coaching change...I forgot that CKO coached the team in Utah.
Didn't mean to get away from your OP, I was just following it with my own thoughts which, as you said, serve to strengthen your point.
I don't watch USC bball often, but every time I have tuned in over the past few years, this is exactly what I see. A bunch of passes around the perimeter and everyone else standing around watching until the shot clock runs low, then somebody jacks up a desperation shot or makes an ill-advised attempt to drive to the basket and turns it over.
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