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  • illmatic88 said...

    Look, every board has its resident "optimist", if that's what you wanna call them. They're often new to recruiting and aren't completely in tune with reality. To use those fans as a representation of an entire fanbase is just as delusional as the "optimist" you're quoting. I know that most posters at Duck Territory are reasonable and level-headed. There are exceptions, but aren't there on every board?

    The reason most people here think of your fanbase as delusional is because the vast majority of duck fans that come to this board are delusional.

    Now maybe we just get the idiots from quacker-land that come over here, but unlike you and a handful of others (97duck, jviv, brem, ducklefty) who are rational, normal people who can carry on adult, respectful conversations about our teams and CFB in general, the vast majority (95% or more) of duck fans that come on here are immature assholes with delusions of grandeur about your football team. They talk shit and act real tough on a messageboard while not dealing with any sort of facts or reality.

    Most of what's irritating about them is their immaturity and abrasiveness. So we have all developed a disdain for people like Keep On Ducking, maitaiduck and many other such luminaries.

    But along with their abrasiveness and disrespect, these people are all in compete delusion about how the ducks are the greatest team in the history of college football with a resume equal to the combined accomplishments of USC, Alabama and Oklahoma. And, oh by the way, they are constantly making bold predictions about how the ducks are going to run SC into the ground, kick SC's ass, etc, and, my personal favorite, how SC's time has passed.

    You and your fellow rational ducks are a welcome exception, and there are posters from other schools who are regulars on this board and who do very well here, so it's not like this board is hostile to outsiders if they act like adults. We have domers, a buckeye, LSU and Bama fans who give respect and get treated with respect.

    But with the exceptions noted above and probably one or two more that I can't remember, the duck fans who come here are the most delusional and idiotic fanbase in all of CFB, and contribute nothing to the discussion except getting roasted once they expose their ignorance and immaturity.

    They come into our house, take a shit on the living room floor and wonder why we don't like them.

    All of that said, I have no problem with you or the other rational duck fans who are adult and civil and want to have actual intelligent conversations about CFB. Smart people from other teams make this board a better place.

    And there seems to be a recent influx of intelligent duck fans, which is a good sign. That's why I said 95% of your fans are delusional idiots instead of 99%, as we've been getting increased signs of intelligent life on planet duck lately.

    So please drop by regularly along with 97, lefty, jviv and brem. People here will realize you guys are fine and treat you well. Just leave all of the delusional idiots back at Multnomah Falls.

    USCTraveler

  • USCTraveler said...

    The reason most people here think of your fanbase as delusional is because the vast majority of duck fans that come to this board are delusional.

    Now maybe we just get the idiots from quacker-land that come over here, but unlike you and a handful of others (97duck, jviv, brem, ducklefty) who are rational, normal people who can carry on adult, respectful conversations about our teams and CFB in general, the vast majority (95% or more) of duck fans that come on here are immature assholes with delusions of grandeur about your football team. They talk shit and act real tough on a messageboard while not dealing with any sort of facts or reality.

    Most of what's irritating about them is their immaturity and abrasiveness. So we have all developed a disdain for people like Keep On Ducking, maitaiduck and many other such luminaries.

    But along with their abrasiveness and disrespect, these people are all in compete delusion about how the ducks are the greatest team in the history of college football with a resume equal to the combined accomplishments of USC, Alabama and Oklahoma. And, oh by the way, they are constantly making bold predictions about how the ducks are going to run SC into the ground, kick SC's ass, etc, and, my personal favorite, how SC's time has passed.

    You and your fellow rational ducks are a welcome exception, and there are posters from other schools who are regulars on this board and who do very well here, so it's not like this board is hostile to outsiders if they act like adults. We have domers, a buckeye, LSU and Bama fans who give respect and get treated with respect.

    But with the exceptions noted above and probably one or two more that I can't remember, the duck fans who come here are the most delusional and idiotic fanbase in all of CFB, and contribute nothing to the discussion except getting roasted once they expose their ignorance and immaturity.

    They come into our house, take a shit on the living room floor and wonder why we don't like them.

    All of that said, I have no problem with you or the other rational duck fans who are adult and civil and want to have actual intelligent conversations about CFB. Smart people from other teams make this board a better place.

    And there seems to be a recent influx of intelligent duck fans, which is a good sign. That's why I said 95% of your fans are delusional idiots instead of 99%, as we've been getting increased signs of intelligent life on planet duck lately.

    So please drop by regularly along with 97, lefty, jviv and brem. People here will realize you guys are fine and treat you well. Just leave all of the delusional idiots back at Multnomah Falls.

    I reserve the right to kick a float when I feel the need even if they have your "seal of approval."

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  • USCTraveler said...

    The reason most people here think of your fanbase as delusional is because the vast majority of duck fans that come to this board are delusional.

    Now maybe we just get the idiots from quacker-land that come over here, but unlike you and a handful of others (97duck, jviv, brem, ducklefty) who are rational, normal people who can carry on adult, respectful conversations about our teams and CFB in general, the vast majority (95% or more) of duck fans that come on here are immature assholes with delusions of grandeur about your football team. They talk shit and act real tough on a messageboard while not dealing with any sort of facts or reality.

    Most of what's irritating about them is their immaturity and abrasiveness. So we have all developed a disdain for people like Keep On Ducking, maitaiduck and many other such luminaries.

    But along with their abrasiveness and disrespect, these people are all in compete delusion about how the ducks are the greatest team in the history of college football with a resume equal to the combined accomplishments of USC, Alabama and Oklahoma. And, oh by the way, they are constantly making bold predictions about how the ducks are going to run SC into the ground, kick SC's ass, etc, and, my personal favorite, how SC's time has passed.

    You and your fellow rational ducks are a welcome exception, and there are posters from other schools who are regulars on this board and who do very well here, so it's not like this board is hostile to outsiders if they act like adults. We have domers, a buckeye, LSU and Bama fans who give respect and get treated with respect.

    But with the exceptions noted above and probably one or two more that I can't remember, the duck fans who come here are the most delusional and idiotic fanbase in all of CFB, and contribute nothing to the discussion except getting roasted once they expose their ignorance and immaturity.

    They come into our house, take a shit on the living room floor and wonder why we don't like them.

    All of that said, I have no problem with you or the other rational duck fans who are adult and civil and want to have actual intelligent conversations about CFB. Smart people from other teams make this board a better place.

    And there seems to be a recent influx of intelligent duck fans, which is a good sign. That's why I said 95% of your fans are delusional idiots instead of 99%, as we've been getting increased signs of intelligent life on planet duck lately.

    So please drop by regularly along with 97, lefty, jviv and brem. People here will realize you guys are fine and treat you well. Just leave all of the delusional idiots back at Multnomah Falls.

    LOL, I can somewhat agree with you...save for that 97 idiot..he stepped way, way over the line with me, the unforgivable. And I'm pretty much a softie in the end.

    Don't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.

    Having a really girly throw, that ain't too far. lol

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  • USCTraveler said...

    The reason most people here think of your fanbase as delusional is because the vast majority of duck fans that come to this board are delusional.

    Now maybe we just get the idiots from quacker-land that come over here, but unlike you and a handful of others (97duck, jviv, brem, ducklefty) who are rational, normal people who can carry on adult, respectful conversations about our teams and CFB in general, the vast majority (95% or more) of duck fans that come on here are immature assholes with delusions of grandeur about your football team. They talk shit and act real tough on a messageboard while not dealing with any sort of facts or reality.

    Most of what's irritating about them is their immaturity and abrasiveness. So we have all developed a disdain for people like Keep On Ducking, maitaiduck and many other such luminaries.

    But along with their abrasiveness and disrespect, these people are all in compete delusion about how the ducks are the greatest team in the history of college football with a resume equal to the combined accomplishments of USC, Alabama and Oklahoma. And, oh by the way, they are constantly making bold predictions about how the ducks are going to run SC into the ground, kick SC's ass, etc, and, my personal favorite, how SC's time has passed.

    You and your fellow rational ducks are a welcome exception, and there are posters from other schools who are regulars on this board and who do very well here, so it's not like this board is hostile to outsiders if they act like adults. We have domers, a buckeye, LSU and Bama fans who give respect and get treated with respect.

    But with the exceptions noted above and probably one or two more that I can't remember, the duck fans who come here are the most delusional and idiotic fanbase in all of CFB, and contribute nothing to the discussion except getting roasted once they expose their ignorance and immaturity.

    They come into our house, take a shit on the living room floor and wonder why we don't like them.

    All of that said, I have no problem with you or the other rational duck fans who are adult and civil and want to have actual intelligent conversations about CFB. Smart people from other teams make this board a better place.

    And there seems to be a recent influx of intelligent duck fans, which is a good sign. That's why I said 95% of your fans are delusional idiots instead of 99%, as we've been getting increased signs of intelligent life on planet duck lately.

    So please drop by regularly along with 97, lefty, jviv and brem. People here will realize you guys are fine and treat you well. Just leave all of the delusional idiots back at Multnomah Falls.

    Might have to disagree. You claim 95% or more of the duck posters who "come on here" are immature assholes, yet you can name more "rational" posters than "immature assholes." Obviously I don't expect you to remember all the usernames that have come and gone, but the ones who have made lasting impressions seem to be 5-2 positive-negative. If the 5 you named are indeed the only "rational" posters, then you're saying there have been at least 93 other duck posters (not counting the two you named) who have made a poor impression on this site. Now I'm sure I'm taking that comment too literally, but even still, IMO the duck posters aren't as bad as many try to make them seem.

    Adamson651

  • Adamson651 said...

    Might have to disagree. You claim 95% or more of the duck posters who "come on here" are immature assholes, yet you can name more "rational" posters than "immature assholes." Obviously I don't expect you to remember all the usernames that have come and gone, but the ones who have made lasting impressions seem to be 5-2 positive-negative. If the 5 you named are indeed the only "rational" posters, then you're saying there have been at least 93 other duck posters (not counting the two you named) who have made a poor impression on this site. Now I'm sure I'm taking that comment too literally, but even still, IMO the duck posters aren't as bad as many try to make them seem.

    You're limiting your sample size to the 247 board and your recent history...some of us go back years & years with Float fan, from multiple boards.

    Float fan is the nouveau riche, however, they think they're blue money. They won the lottery and have no idea how to spend the money, so instead they just flash it around like it's impressive.

    This post was edited by TrojanWarrior1 on 5/7/2012 at 12:21 PM

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  • Adamson651 said...

    Might have to disagree. You claim 95% or more of the duck posters who "come on here" are immature assholes, yet you can name more "rational" posters than "immature assholes." Obviously I don't expect you to remember all the usernames that have come and gone, but the ones who have made lasting impressions seem to be 5-2 positive-negative. If the 5 you named are indeed the only "rational" posters, then you're saying there have been at least 93 other duck posters (not counting the two you named) who have made a poor impression on this site. Now I'm sure I'm taking that comment too literally, but even still, IMO the duck posters aren't as bad as many try to make them seem.

    Thanks for telling me how my brain works, dude. I don't remember the idiots' names because I don't want to. Got it ?

    TW"s point is a good one, but I don't even need to add in idiots from other boards.

    Just go back to the threads from last fall and you'll easily find a huge number of idiotic duck fans.

    The reason I don't remember their names is because I have no desire to devote any memory space to them. The two clowns I listed have been around recently so they stick out in my mind as much as I'd like to forget them.

    The reason I remember the rational duck fans is because they are the EXCEPTION to the rule- not because they are the rule.

    USCTraveler

  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    You're limiting your sample size to the 247 board and your recent history...some of us go back years & years with Float fan, from multiple boards.

    Float fan is the nouveau riche, however, they think they're blue money. They won the lottery and have no idea how to spend the money, so instead they just flash it around like it's impressive.

    That's because the comment I was quoting was talking about duck fans "on here," as in 24/7. The only other duck fans I have come into contact with (not counting people who wear Duck gear cause they think it's cool) are ones that are always by the pool in the Palm Desert neighborhood I visit. They are nice people.

    Adamson651

  • USCTraveler said...

    Thanks for telling me how my brain works, dude. I don't remember the idiots' names because I don't want to. Got it ?

    TW"s point is a good one, but I don't even need to add in idiots from other boards.

    Just go back to the threads from last fall and you'll easily find a huge number of idiotic duck fans.

    The reason I don't remember their names is because I have no desire to devote any memory space to them. The two clowns I listed have been around recently so they stick out in my mind as much as I'd like to forget them.

    The reason I remember the rational duck fans is because they are the EXCEPTION to the rule- not because they are the rule.

    Where did I tell you how your brain works, dude? I said I might have to disagree. I also said I don't expect you to remember their names, but going off your claim that 95% or more are assholes that means there would have to have been at least 95 assholes on here, which I said, in my opinion, hasn't been the case. I don't think we've had that many Duck posters even.

    Adamson651

  • Adamson651 said...

    That's because the comment I was quoting was talking about duck fans "on here," as in 24/7. The only other duck fans I have come into contact with (not counting people who wear Duck gear cause they think it's cool) are ones that are always by the pool in the Palm Desert neighborhood I visit. They are nice people.

    Palm Dessert? Do any of them have hair with their natural color?

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  • It's not limited to basketball either...

    "Once in the stadium, students proceeded to (a) hold up signs enumerating the ways Love was a homosexual, throw food at his family in the stands, and (c) call his grandmother a whore"

    Yup, I had personal experience with that one, from 97..on my own board.

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    Palm Dessert? Do any of them have hair with their natural color?

    There are like three young, married couples who rent out a place to visit their parents. I think they live in Orange County, but I always see them over holiday weekends. The women are Milfs.

    Adamson651

  • USCTraveler said...

    Thanks for telling me how my brain works, dude. I don't remember the idiots' names because I don't want to. Got it ?

    TW"s point is a good one, but I don't even need to add in idiots from other boards.

    Just go back to the threads from last fall and you'll easily find a huge number of idiotic duck fans.

    The reason I don't remember their names is because I have no desire to devote any memory space to them. The two clowns I listed have been around recently so they stick out in my mind as much as I'd like to forget them.

    The reason I remember the rational duck fans is because they are the EXCEPTION to the rule- not because they are the rule.

    I can tell you with certainty that if a DT member attacked a fellow poster with this kind of disrespect, he'd get hammered. All he said was that Duck fans probably aren't ad bad as they're made out to be...which is likely true about every fanbase. Chill out bro.

    illmatic88

  • Adamson651 said...

    Where did I tell you how your brain works, dude? I said I might have to disagree. I also said I don't expect you to remember their names, but going off your claim that 95% or more are assholes that means there would have to have been at least 95 assholes on here, which I said, in my opinion, hasn't been the case. I don't think we've had that many Duck posters even.

    Your exact words:

    " yet you can name more "rational" posters than "immature assholes." Obviously I don't expect you to remember all the usernames that have come and gone, but the ones who have made lasting impressions seem to be 5-2 positive-negative."

    //

    Who are you to say who made a lasting impression on me ?

    When you said "you can name more of the rational posters, and the the lasting impressions seem to be 5-2 positive-negative" you're telling me about my own impressions and memories. You're telling me how my own mind works to support a point you're trying to make.

    You could have just said that in your experience, you've had nowhere near that ratio of bad interactions with duck fans.

    But instead you brought up my impressions and who I can name, and my ratio of positive-negative impressions, which you frankly know nothing about. My experiences are my experiences and my impressions are my impressions. Hence, you telling me how my mind works, which I don't need. I know very well what my own experiences are.

    //

    There's a reason I can name the rational posters. It's because there are so few of them, and they are such a welcome breath of fresh air, that they stick out in my mind.

    The ignorant duck masses ? Individual identities easily and purposely forgotten so as to not waste time nor energy on them.

    USCTraveler

  • USCTraveler said...

    Your exact words:

    " yet you can name more "rational" posters than "immature assholes." Obviously I don't expect you to remember all the usernames that have come and gone, but the ones who have made lasting impressions seem to be 5-2 positive-negative."

    //

    Who are you to say who made a lasting impression on me ?

    When you said "you can name more of the rational posters, and the the lasting impressions seem to be 5-2 positive-negative" you're telling me about my own impressions and memories. You're telling me how my own mind works to support a point you're trying to make.

    You could have just said that in your experience, you've had nowhere near that ratio of bad interactions with duck fans.

    But instead you brought up my impressions and who I can name, and my ratio of positive-negative impressions, which you frankly know nothing about. My experiences are my experiences and my impressions are my impressions. Hence, you telling me how my mind works, which I don't need. I know very well what my own experiences are.

    //

    There's a reason I can name the rational posters. It's because there are so few of them, and they are such a welcome breath of fresh air, that they stick out in my mind.

    The ignorant duck masses ? Individual identities easily and purposely forgotten so as to not waste time nor energy on them.

    I was counting the number of usernames that you listed yourself in your post. By "lasting impression" I simply meant usernames that you were able to remember and type.

    Adamson651

  • illmatic88 said...

    I can tell you with certainty that if a DT member attacked a fellow poster with this kind of disrespect, he'd get hammered. All he said was that Duck fans probably aren't ad bad as they're made out to be...which is likely true about every fanbase. Chill out bro.

    If you think that was an attack or disrespectful, then maybe you're in the wrong neighborhood.

    Come to think of it, you are a guest on our board, so why are you telling me to chill out ?

    I am chill. But I don't need someone telling me what my memories, impressions or experiences are.

    //

    And I don't need a duck fan advising me how to behave on my own board.

    You are a guest in our house. Don't tell us how to behave here.

    If you want to respond to something I wrote, why not respond to the long post where I replied to a question you asked instead of sticking you duckbill somewhere that it's not wanted or needed ?

    USCTraveler

  • Adamson651 said...

    I was counting the number of usernames that you listed yourself in your post. By "lasting impression" I simply meant usernames that you were able to remember and type.

    You were making an assumption.

    Names that I remember may or may not have any correlation the the number of people who have made a lasting impression.

    I choose to not remember most of the idiot's names because I don't want to remember them. That doesn't mean there weren't 95 idiots that I've had interactions with who have made lasting impressions. I just don't want to bother remembering their names. I only remember the most recent names because: a) I've had experiences with them before, and b) they have popped up recently to remind us of their idiocy, so I haven't been able to erase their names from my memory again yet.

    //

    It's all good. I know you're a good guy.

    But do you see how what you wrote could come across as something you weren't intending it to be ?

    This post was edited by USCTraveler on 5/7/2012 at 1:46 PM

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  • USCTraveler said...

    If you think that was an attack or disrespectful, then maybe you're in the wrong neighborhood.

    Come to think of it, you are a guest on our board, so why are you telling me to chill out ?

    I am chill. But I don't need someone telling me what my memories, impressions or experiences are.

    //

    And I don't need a duck fan advising me how to behave on my own board.

    You are a guest in our house. Don't tell us how to behave here.

    If you want to respond to something I wrote, why not respond to the long post where I replied to a question you asked instead of sticking you duckbill somewhere that it's not wanted or needed ?

    Tamales (if TW gives the OK), pork tenderloin in brandy sauce....Canard a l'Orange (and yes, you can make it at a tailgate...!), you name it, I'll make it for you! lol

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Tamales (if TW gives the OK), pork tenderloin in brandy sauce....Canard a l'Orange (and yes, you can make it at a tailgate...!), you name it, I'll make it for you! lol

    By the way, the first tailgate menu is already planned...we're having Kalua Pig.

    and tamales.biggrin

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  • USCTraveler said...

    You were making an assumption.

    Names that I remember may or may not have any correlation the the number of people who have made a lasting impression.

    I choose to not remember most of the idiot's names because I don't want to remember them. That doesn't mean there weren't 95 idiots that I've had interactions with who have made lasting impressions. I just don't want to bother remembering their names. I only remember the most recent names because: a) I've had experiences with them before, and b) they have popped up recently to remind us of their idiocy, so I haven't been able to erase their names from my memory again yet.

    //

    It's all good. I know you're a good guy.

    But do you see how what you wrote could come across as something you weren't intending it to be ?

    Alright, yeah there's no reason you'd remember all the usernames, but even still, you were able to name a handful of "good" posters. Obviously we've had different experiences, and *in my experiences* the "good" duck posters outweigh the "bad," but oh well, doesn't really matter.

    Not directing this at you, but perhaps we'd have more quality posters if there wasn't so much hatred spewed at their fanbase. I've seen guys chastised without them even being controversial.

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    usctrojan1- what would anger you more, if your daughter came home with a big tattoo going down her arm, or if she came home with a new boyfriend, who is a Duck fan? Haha

    Adamson651

  • usctrojan1 said...

    Tamales (if TW gives the OK), pork tenderloin in brandy sauce....Canard a l'Orange (and yes, you can make it at a tailgate...!), you name it, I'll make it for you! lol

    All of the above please.biggrin I am looking forward to the Canard a l'Orange most of all. It will taste especially good on 11-3.

    I was thinking about swinging through Chinatown and bringing on of those roast ducks they hang in the Chinese grocery windows to the tailgate that day.

    USCTraveler

  • USCTraveler said...

    All of the above please.biggrin I am looking forward to the Canard a l'Orange most of all. It will taste especially good on 11-3.

    I was thinking about swinging through Chinatown and bringing on of those roast ducks they hang in the Chinese grocery windows to the tailgate that day.

    Awesome...we can use it as a pinata!

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  • Adamson651 said...

    Alright, yeah there's no reason you'd remember all the usernames, but even still, you were able to name a handful of "good" posters. Obviously we've had different experiences, and *in my experiences* the "good" duck posters outweigh the "bad," but oh well, doesn't really matter.

    Not directing this at you, but perhaps we'd have more quality posters if there wasn't so much hatred spewed at their fanbase. I've seen guys chastised without them even being controversial.

    You're missing the point of my previous three posts about this, my friend.

    Your experiences with duck posters are what they are, and that's all good.

    But I remember the good duck posters precisely because they are so few and far between in my experience, so they are easy to remember. And I want to remember the good guys, as I like interacting with smart fans of other teams. That makes for a more interesting board.

    I have no desire to interact with the idiots, derelicts, or delusional lunatics, so I try to forget their names and not give them the respect or dignity of remembering them individually. I think of them en masse- like a cesspool. Once in a while, one of the turds like Keep on Ducking pops back up and their name will stick in my brain for a while, but I don't want to remember the bad posters and I will eventually forget the ones that temporarily pop up from time to time.

    //

    I give every person a good amount of rope. What they do with it is their choice. In my experience, with the exceptions noted in the earlier post (and probably a few others who I have forgotten) most of the duck fans have hung themselves with that rope.

    USCTraveler

  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    Awesome...we can use it as a pinata!

    My thoughts exactly! lol

    USCTraveler

  • illmatic88 said...

    For the record, I think Justin's article is pretty reasonable. By multiple accounts, we're in the lead for all three guys (with Pagano being the most fluid).

    I do as well but I think people are referencing some of the more ridiculous predictions in the thread that follows, not Justin's article itself.

    Until we offer Pagano (and frankly, if we're offering Hawaii kids I hope Reeve Koehler gets the first one), Eddie V is the only one we're going head to head over on that list. While I think the offer certainly has SC in the mix, Oregon's in the lead until proven otherwise IMO. I'm curious to see him in camps because his competition is terrible, but there's no doubt he's a real player and either school would do well to have him.

    FelixTheCat322

  • USCTraveler said...

    You're missing the point of my previous three posts about this, my friend.

    Your experiences with duck posters are what they are, and that's all good.

    But I remember the good duck posters precisely because they are so few and far between in my experience, so they are easy to remember. And I want to remember the good guys, as I like interacting with smart fans of other teams. That makes for a more interesting board.

    I have no desire to interact with the idiots, derelicts, or delusional lunatics, so I try to forget their names and not give them the respect or dignity of remembering them individually. I think of them en masse- like a cesspool. Once in a while, one of the turds like Keep on Ducking pops back up and their name will stick in my brain for a while, but I don't want to remember the bad posters and I will eventually forget the ones that temporarily pop up from time to time.

    //

    I give every person a good amount of rope. What they do with it is their choice. In my experience, with the exceptions noted in the earlier post (and probably a few others who I have forgotten) most of the duck fans have hung themselves with that rope.

    Just cover all of your bases and refer to all of them as Float Fan...you'll never be wrong.

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