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USCMichigander said...
Aren't Oregon's O-linemen on the smaller and faster side to keep up with their offense? I was under the impression that they were, so assuming that is true wouldn't Arik be just as out of place on the O-Line over there?
Didn't you get the memo? Chip is going to a pro-style offense in 2012.
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winning7 said...
He wants to play defense but we'll see if they can sway him. He would kill kids at OT in any offense. Have you seen his offensive tape? Also, I think they have smaller OLinemen out of failures in recruiting and not because they want them
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97duck said...
It is probably fair to say they are a little lighter than many, but certainly not out of the ordinary small.
Average OL size for Oregon: 6-4, 292lbs.
I used the roster to determine the size. The ducks are very young on the OL, with 6 redshirt freshmen who were all around 275-280. We shall see if they have bulked up anymore through the year. The Oregon home site typically updates height and weight over the summer, going into fall camp.
Average OL size for USC: 6-4, 298lbs.
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usctrojan1 said...
It's not as if they've developed O-linemen....till they do that, what "Big Uglie" with NFL aspirations will pick oregon?
Doesn't help that USC is known for cranking out linemen like crazy, Matt Kalil will go even higher than Tyron did last season. Not to mention that USC has given the NFL two of the greatest o-linemen of all time, Anthony Munoz and Bruce Matthews.
USC has played very well vs big D-linemen historically.
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winning7 said...
Preaching to the choir. Past accomplishments or our players will always be better than the ducks and pretty much everyone else for that matter. I am interested to see how Oregon's OLine class from last year develops. If they can figure out a way to get top OLinemen to their program and get chip to stay around it's going to be a year in and year out battle between USC and Oregon
Not sure about all this (but I'm sure the quackers will put in their worthless
on this).... but isn't their offense so simple (but using great athletes) that it doesn't prepare them for the complexities of the NFL game?
I don't want to hear from quacks, I have most of them on ignore anyway.
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usctrojan1 said...
Not sure about all this (but I'm sure the quackers will put in their worthless
on this).... but isn't their offense so simple (but using great athletes) that it doesn't prepare them for the complexities of the NFL game?
I don't want to hear from quacks, I have most of them on ignore anyway.
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winning7 said...
I'm not sure if their offense is so simple. I really don't know it well enough. The offense is predicated upon getting mismatches using their speed and misdirection. For athletes, RBs and WRs, I think they are probably developed just fine in this system. They haven't had many good WRs put in the league lately but I can't really think of any top WRs committing there until last year so the lack of NFL kids is understandable. They should be really dangerous if they can get a good QB who can distribute the ball to all their new playmakers which would make them a more balanced and harder offense to stop. As for linemen, I think it's kind of the chicken or the egg thing with regards to putting top OLinemen in the league. You need to have top recruits come through to put top linemen in the league and you need to have top linemen in the league to get the recruits. Their line scheme is built around zone blocking principles which are used by some NFL teams but are in no way the norm. I'm sure if they had Kalil he would be a high pick because he's such a stud but I'm not sure he'd be the top OT taken just because NFL scouts wouldn't have seen him perform in a pro-style offense. If they get Armstead to play on their OLine he is going to create some serious running lanes. Hope he stays on defense. Sorry for the long post, I tried my best to answer it.
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usctrojan1 said...
No, no I appreciate your answer. As to the "simple offense" comment, I've read that in several places (I'm not smart enough to come up with this on my own), and recently, on ESPN in evaluating Thomas' decision to enter the NFL. Exact words used..."very simple offense", and in no way stating that the skill players could not be successful in the NFL...just QBs and offensive linemen.
Who really knows? We'll find out.
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Not really sure why Thomas left early but he needed to make the "easy" throws cuz i don't think he had the arm or mechanics for the bigger throws. If bennet or Mariota develop like most seem to think then you will have a more vertical passing game with more complex throws. Dixon did back in '07. Chips develops the offense around what his best players can do in the system. If a team can't seem to stop a particular play he will run it over and over again. Its not a "gimmick" offense like some seem to think but it is designed to get mismatches and counter off what the defense is giving (or overplaying). I know what you are saying with Thomas, he had ALOT of bubble screens but part of that was his mechanics weren't the best and he sailed throws. As far as Olinemen, we have some in the league but obviously no where near USC or will ever have. We just don't have that many in the state and have to get Cali kids most of the time which grew up on USC football.
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usctrojan1 said...
I loved Dennis Dixson, great kid and one heck of a college QB. Most of us on the old board were truly sad when he went down...we know we backed into the Rose Bowl because of it (and the PAC Champion that year)...Oregon had an excellent chance of winning the National Championship that year.
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The Slam Man said...
I definitely agree with you about the last couple sentences you wrote. Oregon was my favorite to win the Title that year--- before Dennis went down, of course. Jonathan Stewart was also a monster. Remember him?
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Oh yeah, great great team. I actually had tears in my eyes when Dennis went down at Arizona..I remember the moment well. He should have won the Heisman, and they should have won the National Championship.
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